Does anything rule Bury out?

[Harry D]

Interesting!

How can you place him ?! I woul like to know..


Rainbow°

Bury was living in Bow at the time of the murders.

[Elamarna]

It is way more than enough, Bury is only a candidate for his wife's murder!


Rainbow°

Unless one wants to argue he was innocent he was not a candidate for her murder. He was sent to trial and convicted of her murder and hung for it.


Steve

[Rainbow]

Bury was living in Bow at the time of the murders.

and ... how can you place him there ?! by imagination ?! how exactly ?!


Rainbow°

[Elamarna]

and ... how can you place him there ?! by imagination ?! how exactly ?!


Rainbow°

Now as Harry D is well aware, I am no supporter of Bury. True he is better than many suggested but that it.

However the details of where he lived are not secret, they are public record and openly discussed on this forum.
They are from the historical sources the same as say 22 Doveton street is or that some stage Kosminski lived next door to the stride murder site.


Steve

[Harry D]

A man living in the East End, known to use prostitutes, with a violent temperament, who ups sticks to Scotland under false pretences at the end of the Autumn of Terror and within weeks murders his wife with a similar pathology to the Ripper, and has graffiti at his new house implicating him as JTR.

Naaaah. Nothing to see here, folks.

[Sam Flynn]

Bury was living in Bow at the time of the murders.

Quite, and Bow had its fair share of vulnerable women, prostitutes and streetwalkers. Doesn't quite rule him out, but with such an abundance of potential victims practically on his doorstep, there was absolutely no reason for him to have regularly "commuted" west on a five-mile round trip to commit the Ripper murders.

[Abby Normal]

A man living in the East End, known to use prostitutes, with a violent temperament, who ups sticks to Scotland under false pretences at the end of the Autumn of Terror and within weeks murders his wife with a similar pathology to the Ripper, and has graffiti at his new house implicating him as JTR.

Naaaah. Nothing to see here, folks.

And who was, at the very least, a person of interest at the time.

[Varqm]

Bury is a better suspect than dog rights activist Kosminski.

[Harry D]

Quite, and Bow had its fair share of vulnerable women, prostitutes and streetwalkers. Doesn't quite rule him out, but with such an abundance of potential victims practically on his doorstep, there was absolutely no reason for him to have regularly "commuted" west on a five-mile round trip to commit the Ripper murders.

Because Whitechapel was a seedy den of iniquity that attracted ne'er-do wells like Bury?

And wouldn't a killer want to put a safe distance between his doorstep and the crimes?

[Sam Flynn]

Because Whitechapel was a seedy den of iniquity that attracted ne'er-do wells like Bury?

There were plenty of seedy places closer to Bow, all of which were easier for Bury to get to, and quicker for him to scarper back to safety afterwards.

And wouldn't a killer want to put a safe distance between his doorstep and the crimes?

A "safe distance" might only have been a couple of blocks away at that time. It was simple enough to be anonymous in the crowded and transient populace of the Victorian East End, especially in the small hours of the morning when most of said populace would have been in bed anyway.

[Harry D]

There were plenty of seedy places closer to Bow, all of which were easier for Bury to get to, and quicker for him to scarper back to safety afterwards.

Were there?

Are you implying that the only people who frequented Whitechapel were locals?

A "safe distance" might only have been a couple of blocks away at that time. It was simple enough to be anonymous in the crowded and transient populace of the Victorian East End, especially in the small hours of the morning when most of said populace would have been in bed anyway.

Bury had the advantage of a horse & cart, so this point is moot. He could afford to put a wide berth between him and the murder sites. Coincidentally, there were no more Ripper murders in Whitechapel once he lost it.

You also cannot exclude the timing. It's not like Bury left Whitechapel after a year or six months after the Autumn of Terror. It was a couple of months after the last "canonical" victim that he scarpered from the East End to the opposite end of the UK under false pretences. Then within weeks he strangles his wife and engages in abdominal post-mortem mutilation. Now we can argue the toss of what constitutes a "Ripper murder" but those are the salient facts.

[Sam Flynn]

Were there?

Are you implying that the only people who frequented Whitechapel were locals?

No. I'm stating - correctly - that there was a plentiful supply of vulnerable women, streetwalkers, prostitutes closer to where Bury lived.

Now that you mention it, however, what I'd add is that most of the people who frequented Spitalfields in the middle of the night certainly would have been locals.

Bury had the advantage of a horse & cart, so this point is moot.

Why, then, were there no Ripper murders outside Whitechapel and its immediate City boundary? Just as there were sources of victims closer to Bury's home, there were other parts of London within easy reach of a horse and cart where vulnerable women could be found walking the streets.

If anything is moot, it's the horse and cart argument. If Bury's mobility were relevant at all, one would expect there to have been a much wider scatter of unequivocal Ripper murders.

[Sam Flynn]

You also cannot exclude the timing. It's not like Bury left Whitechapel after a year or six months after the Autumn of Terror. It was a couple of months after the last "canonical" victim that he scarpered from the East End to the opposite end of the UK under false pretences.

Something he'd perhaps been planning for quite some time?

Then within weeks he strangles his wife and engages in abdominal post-mortem mutilation.

A few stingy jabs and a cut of a few inches scarcely constitutes abdominal mutilation, and certainly not anywhere near the Ripper scale.

[Observer]

Bury had the advantage of a horse & cart, so this point is moot.

A sort of getaway cart?

[Pcdunn]

A sort of getaway cart?

Hmm... Maybe, but horses aren't that quiet, especially clip-clopping along dark, silent streets where various potential witnesses claim they "didn't see or hear a soul."

I'm of the opinion that the denizens of Whitechapel all lied about never seeing anyone around the neighborhoods of the Ripper crimes.

Either that, or the Ripper was the Invisible Man.