The could be knife Thomas Coram found on October the 1st 1888

[niko]

Forgive me Deb and Chris,my mistake, I misunderstood the censor, thought the 30 was her age, " oops sorry ". As to Eddie, yes he told a friend and I his real name " Aaron " although he preferred " Eddie ".

This are some detail's I have about Eddie -

Aaron, Raphael, Cohen.

Born the eleventh of March 1921.

Farther - Marcus Cohen.

Mother - Ada Cohen formerly Bloom.

I know Eddie inherited a Victoirian house in Bow, going towards Stratford from Whitechapel, the house was on the left hand side of Mile End Rd, Bow Rd just before Bow church.

I have tried to locate Eddie from people I know in the East End, but he has lost contact with the people I have spoken with. thank's alot Deb and Chris for your co-operation, It would be great to find Eddie still alive, all the best, Agur.

niko

[Chris]

Thank's alot for the information Deb, I think it's the same Hyman Cohen, as Eddie's farther name was Marcus and Hyman's youngest son in the 1911 censor is also called Marcus. BUT there's something dodgy here. On the birth certificate I have of Marcus Cohen his mother's name is given as Tobeh Cohen formerly ( Yerusalimski ) and in the 1911 censor his wife is Debra Cohen, and on the birth certificate Marcus Cohen was born in October 1898 at 8 Ely Place. I supose that Hyman married twice or something,

As I said above, and as Debs confirmed, according to the 1911 census Debra Cohen stated that she had been married for 30 years, so it must just have been a case of using an "Anglicised" form of the name Taube (though it was actually a Hebrew name with a different root).

She died in 1951, and her death was registered under the name Tauber Cohen at Hackney (she was aged 88, agreeing with the ages given in the censuses).

Here is the announcement of her death from the Jewish Chronicle of 24 August 1951:



Regarding "A. R. Cohen," I think it would help if you could just go over the information again. Have I understood correctly that he was known as "Eddie" (and presumably traded under that name), but that one one occasion he revealed that his real name was A. R. Cohen? And that the "A" stood for Aaron? Obviously the middle initial is rather crucial, as there were quite a few Aaron Cohens, but only one Aaron R. Cohen of around the right age. Did that middle initial definitely come from Eddie himself?

[niko]

Thank's alot for the information Deb, I think it's the same Hyman Cohen, as Eddie's farther name was Marcus and Hyman's youngest son in the 1911 censor is also called Marcus. BUT there's something dodgy here. On the birth certificate I have of Marcus Cohen his mother's name is given as Tobeh Cohen formerly ( Yerusalimski ) and in the 1911 censor his wife is Debra Cohen, and on the birth certificate Marcus Cohen was born in October 1898 at 8 Ely Place. I supose that Hyman married twice or something, Thank's for tour interest Deb, all the best, Agur.

niko

P.S

Is there any way of tracking down Eddie ( A.R Cohen ), the last I knew of him he was single and with no kid's....

[Chris]

Niko, Chris, here are the full 1911 census details.

Thanks very much for posting those details.

[Debra A]

Niko, Chris, here are the full 1911 census details.

COHEN, Hyman Head Married M 50 1861 Tailor Russia Poland Resident
COHEN, Debra Wife Married 30 years F 48 1863 Russia Poland
COHEN, Charles Son Single M 15 1896 Mechanical Engineer Sewing Machines London Bethnal Green
COHEN, Marcus Son M 12 1899 School London Whitechapel

The couple had 6 children, 5 of whom were still living in 1911.

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1572 Reference:
RG14PN1572 RG78PN56 RD21 SD1 ED1 SN77

Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town South Western Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Mile End Old Town

Address:
79 Newark St Stepney E County:
London

[Chris]

Hi Chris and thank's for your interest, here are some detail's which I used to find Hyman Cohen in the 1901 censor - Hyman Cohen's address in 1898,
8 ELY PLACE
WHITECHAPEL
He was a tailor journeyman. His wife name was Tobeh Cohen formerly Yerusalimski.

With this information my stepfarther Mick found Hyman Cohen in the 1901 censor, in this censor Hyman and Tobeh were both thirtynine on their last birthday, that's were I get that Hyman was born in 1862.

Thanks for that information. I see the 1901 census entry for that address, which shows Hyman (39) and Toby (39) and their children Davis (20), Lewis (18), Rebecca (13), Joseph (9), Charles (5) and Marcus (2).

I don't have a subscription that covers the 1911 census myself at the moment, but from the free index I can see a household in Mile End Old Town containing the following, who appear to be members of the same family:
COHEN HYMAN 50
COHEN DEBRA 48
COHEN CHARLES 15
COHEN MARCUS 12
Debra is stated to have been married for 30 years, so she would be Toby/Taube under a different name.

Unfortunately that would make it impossible for this Hyman Cohen to be the same person as Hyman Davis, who was married to Annie and (apparently) living in South Africa at the date of the 1911 census.

[niko]

Thanks for explaining. There was indeed a cousin, born Haim Lubnowski at Klodawa in October 1863. As far as we can tell, he married an Annie Davis (after 1901), and was known as Hyman Davis after that. There are various references to this Hyman Davis and Mrs Hyman Davis living at Kroonstad, South Africa, between 1905 and 1917. So it looks unlikely that he would have had a grandson named Cohen born at Whitechapel in 1921, unless perhaps by an earlier marriage.

At any rate, if you could find your Hyman Cohen in England in the 1911 census, and married to someone other than Annie, that would prove definitely that he wasn't the right man, as she was still living (at Kroonstad) in 1913. I dare say if you can post the details from 1901, someone will be helpful and look him up for you.

Hi Chris and thank's for your interest, here are some detail's which I used to find Hyman Cohen in the 1901 censor - Hyman Cohen's address in 1898,
8 ELY PLACE
WHITECHAPEL
He was a tailor journeyman. His wife name was Tobeh Cohen formerly Yerusalimski.

With this information my stepfarther Mick found Hyman Cohen in the 1901 censor, in this censor Hyman and Tobeh were both thirtynine on their last birthday, that's were I get that Hyman was born in 1862.

I thank anyone who could forward me information about Hyman Cohen. It has passed my mind that maybe the connection to Kozminski could be Hyman's wife Tobeh Yerusalimski or even Eddie's ( A.R Cohen ) mother's side of the family. Lets see if someones lucky and find's something, " coz this is like finding a neddle in a haystack to me ". All the best, Agur.

niko

[Chris]

Rob gave me the understanding that Aaron Kozminski had two cousins, they were brother's, one named Hyman and the other Davies or something, ca'nt remember too good.

One was born in 1862 and the other I ca'nt remember. Some time after talking with Rob House I searched back Eddie's ( A.R Cohen ) family, reaching back to his grandfarther whose name was Hyman Cohen and after looking up the 1901 censors, found out that Hyman Cohen ( Eddie's grandfarther ) was also born in 1862, apparently out of the U.K, could of been Poland.

Thanks for explaining. There was indeed a cousin, born Haim Lubnowski at Klodawa in October 1863. As far as we can tell, he married an Annie Davis (after 1901), and was known as Hyman Davis after that. There are various references to this Hyman Davis and Mrs Hyman Davis living at Kroonstad, South Africa, between 1905 and 1917. So it looks unlikely that he would have had a grandson named Cohen born at Whitechapel in 1921, unless perhaps by an earlier marriage.

At any rate, if you could find your Hyman Cohen in England in the 1911 census, and married to someone other than Annie, that would prove definitely that he wasn't the right man, as she was still living (at Kroonstad) in 1913. I dare say if you can post the details from 1901, someone will be helpful and look him up for you.

[niko]

By Aaron Kozminski's cousin, do you mean Morris Lubnowski Cohen?

Hi Chris, no I do'nt mean Morris Lobnowski ( or at least thats what I think ). At the comence of my research into the knife I poses, I contacted with various ripper expert's, one being Rob house an expert on the Kozminski family. Rob gave me the understanding that Aaron Kozminski had two cousins, they were brother's, one named Hyman and the other Davies or something, ca'nt remember too good.

One was born in 1862 and the other I ca'nt remember. Some time after talking with Rob House I searched back Eddie's ( A.R Cohen ) family, reaching back to his grandfarther whose name was Hyman Cohen and after looking up the 1901 censors, found out that Hyman Cohen ( Eddie's grandfarther ) was also born in 1862, apparently out of the U.K, could of been Poland.

I see a coincidence between the two Hyman's but Rob House assures me that they are not the same Hyman, I have no other choice than to belief him.
If Eddie is alive today he would be ninety. I've looked at the register office, but nothing, I ca'nt find him " nor dead nor alive ". This is like all that surrounds the Whitechapel murder's, one big puzzle and half the bit's missing, all the best,Agur.

niko

[Chris]

I am researching Eddie at the present but have come to a dead end ( for now ). Eddie was born in the East End, like his farther, I truely think Eddie's grandfarther was Aaron Kozminskis cousin in 1888.

By Aaron Kozminski's cousin, do you mean Morris Lubnowski Cohen?

[niko]

The possible Kozminski connection with the knife.

Hello to everyone, I will try and be as brief as possible. At the age of thirteen I wittnessed how the metropolitan police searched the arch with metal detector's, the same arch where four year's later I unburried the knife, which I belief to be the knife that Thomas Coram found along the Whitechapel Road in 1888, and was taken to Leman Street Police Station.

The propitor of the arch at the time when the Metropolitan Police searched with metal detector's, was a man we knew as " Eddie " he was Jewish. As kid's we would hang around Eddies car repair garage somtimes fixing our bicicyle's.

At the age of sixty, Eddie inherited a Victorian house in Bow.
Eddie once said something to me and a friend which surprised us, he told us his real name was not Eddie but A. R. Cohen and that his surname had been changed from " Lominsky or kosminsky or something like that " to Cohen for some reason.

Me and two friend's went to Eddie's sixtith birthday party, we ate some sandwiches and had soft drink's, Eddie got drunk. He then told us the strangest thing, he told us that he was going to get alot of money for something a relative had done in the pass, we asked him what had his relation had done, but he replied with no answer.

On another ocassion Eddie bought himself a spanking new metal detector, wich I also witnessed him searching the arch where I found the knife with it.

I am researching Eddie at the present but have come to a dead end ( for now ). Eddie was born in the East End, like his farther, I truely think Eddie's grandfarther was Aaron Kozminskis cousin in 1888.

Two reasons why I think the knife I posses is the Coram knife are-

( 1 ) The likeness of the knife with the discription given in the newspaper's in 1888. (Blunt and the edge turned and wraped in a hankerchief ).


( 2 ) The statement where Eddie told a friend and I about his relative. Tried to be as brief as possible, all the best, Agur.


niko.

[niko]

The possible Kozminski connection with the knife.

Hello to everyone, I will try and be as brief as possible. At the age of thirteen I wittnessed how the metropolitan police searched the arch with metal detector's, the same arch where four year's later I unburried the knife, which I belief to be the knife that Thomas Coram found along the Whitechapel Road in 1888, and was taken to Leman Street Police Station.

The propitor of the arch at the time when the Metropolitan Police searched with metal detector's, was a man we knew as " Eddie " he was Jewish. As kid's we would hang around Eddies car repair garage somtimes fixing our bicicyle's.

At the age of sixty, Eddie inherited a Victorian house in Bow.
Eddie once said something to me and a friend which surprised us, he told us his real name was not Eddie but A. R. Cohen and that his surname had been changed from " Lominsky or kosminsky or something like that " to Cohen for some reason.

Me and two friend's went to Eddie's sixtith birthday party, we ate some sandwiches and had soft drink's, Eddie got drunk. He then told us the strangest thing, he told us that he was going to get alot of money for something a relative had done in the pass, we asked him what had his relation had done, but he replied with no answer.

On another ocassion Eddie bought himself a spanking new metal detector, wich I also witnessed him searching the arch where I found the knife with it.

I am researching Eddie at the present but have come to a dead end ( for now ). Eddie was born in the East End, like his farther, I truely think Eddie's grandfarther was Aaron Kozminskis cousin in 1888.

Two reasons why I think the knife I posses is the Coram knife are-

( 1 ) The likeness of the knife with the discription given in the newspaper's in 1888. (Blunt and the edge turned and wraped in a hankerchief ).


( 2 ) The statement where Eddie told a friend and I about his relative. Tried to be as brief as possible, all the best, Agur.


niko.

[niko]

The Three Notches ?

Hello to everyone, here I am again, expressing my opinion on the forum, regarding somthing which I believe is related to the Whitechapel murders. For some reason which I do'nt know, I have held back information regarding MARKINGS ON THE KNIFE. The JTR experts I had contacted some year's back know about the THREE NOTCHES.


The knife I poses hs three clearly marked notches on the side of the wooden handle. They were on the handle when I found the knife. I have come to the conclusion that they are notches indicating " TROPHYS ". I know of hunter's which mark their rifles with NOTCHES when killing game ( big game ), for example a wild boar.


At one time I thought they could be markings for the owner to identify his knife, but that's absurd, as anyone could sandpaper away the notches on the wood. If I was to mark my knife for identification, I would mark it on the steel. I believe each NOTCH represent an ATTACK.


I would like you to "google" (stabbing in the back case No 2), forgive my, not knowing how to do the link. This article has some resemblence about my theory on the notches representing TROPHY'S. Another thing about the notches is that I believe to be one hundred percent sure that they were carved onto the handle by a left handed person. I experimented with friend's to make simular notches, the only way to carve the notches in the way they are is if you are left handed, or use the left hand to do them.


"Yes" I still think it's the Coram knife, and yes I do think the knife found along the Whitechapel Road at the time of the murder was involved in the murder's and ws left on the street to be found and handed to the Police. for what reason I do'nt know, sorry another long post, thankyou for reading all the best,Agur.

[niko]

Hello niko

If the knife that you found is the one in the photograph that you posted in post number 9, I don't believe that knife could be described as being "rounded at the tip." Rather it is a "sharp pointed" knife, which, according to the inquest testimony you have just posted, the knife found by Thomas Coram was not. So I think you should give up your rather fanciful hope that knife you found is the same knife Thomas Coram found.

Sorry

Chris

Forgive me Chris, but like I have stated from the begining, the the point was rounded or blunt, the cutting edge of the knife was blunt and the blade was bent, turned, I staightened the blade,sharpened the blade,on doing this the tip of the POINT was returned to the knife, I am sorry Chris and other forum members if my story disturbs you. I am only telling the truth, and believe I am not making nothing up. I think I should remain silent for some time, sorry again,Agur.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hello niko

If the knife that you found is the one in the photograph that you posted in post number 9, I don't believe that knife could be described as being "rounded at the tip." Rather it is a "sharp pointed" knife, which, according to the inquest testimony you have just posted, the knife found by Thomas Coram was not. So I think you should give up your rather fanciful hope that knife you found is the same knife Thomas Coram found.

Sorry

Chris