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Originally posted by miakaal4
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Getting back to motivation, do you mind if we follow JtR's shoes for a bit? Of course this is all from the "What if?" school of History.
So here he is in Dutfields yard, he has just cut Liz Strides throat and as he was making the second cut, a bloody horse and cart turn up! He slinks into the darkness as the driver peers at Liz's body. Deimshutz jumps off his cart and runs into the building. He moves away quickly. It's a close call. Heart beating madly, hands shaking. The repressed urges and the fact he was nearly caught literally red handed,would have unnerved him? So might he not hide the knife and pop into the nearest pub? Have a brandy to calm the nerves a bit? Perhaps while he is in there Cate Eddowes saunters in. The urge to cut her up begins to rise. Perhaps he is even day dreaming about what he missed with Stride. The urges begin to outweigh the previous fright and he leaves the pub. Now Lawende and co say its pouring with rain. They see the couple as the walk passed. Lawende see's enough of the man for his descrption to be withheld as important. He also see's the back of a short woman wearing a black hat and black jacket. Now we all know that in the dark, lots of colours look black. Given that the killer was seen by the trio at around 01.35, and the body found at 01.45ish that is between 8 and 12 minutes to do the dirty deeds. perhaps 2 minutes for the trio to move on, 1 or 2 minutes to get Cate into that dark corner. 4-8 minutes left. In this time he has to strangle(?) her, cut her throat deeply twice, unbutton the coat,(?) pull her skirts aside or cut through them, cut open the torso avoiding the navel, make several other stabs to the liver groin etc, cut the nose, cheeks, eyelids. Remove intestines, place colon next to body, arrange the arms so the palms face outwards, (this does not happen naturally because of the elbows, try it!) Then he romoves the uterus and the kidney, cuts a large piece of apron to wrap them in, and leaves by the only exit that has nobody in it. In 4-8 minutes. Dr Phillips stated during the Chapman inquest that it would have taken him a minimum of 15 minutes to carry our the mutilations on her body. But Eddowes far more mutilated body was done in half that time? This must beg the questions; Did Lawende really see the back of Eddowes? Chapman had a black hat and dark coat, Stride, long black coat, it seems this was the standard kit for the casual whore of Whitechapel, so could Lawende be seeing another tart and because it was adjacent to Mitre Square all assume it must have been her he saw? Could she not have been killed earlier and not found yet? For JtR to get from Stride to Eddowes and perform the way he did, then an hour later to achieve the events in Goulston street, his luck is incredible, his timing perfect, if this were in a novel or film we would laugh at the absurdity of it all!!!
So here he is in Dutfields yard, he has just cut Liz Strides throat and as he was making the second cut, a bloody horse and cart turn up! He slinks into the darkness as the driver peers at Liz's body. Deimshutz jumps off his cart and runs into the building. He moves away quickly. It's a close call. Heart beating madly, hands shaking. The repressed urges and the fact he was nearly caught literally red handed,would have unnerved him? So might he not hide the knife and pop into the nearest pub? Have a brandy to calm the nerves a bit? Perhaps while he is in there Cate Eddowes saunters in. The urge to cut her up begins to rise. Perhaps he is even day dreaming about what he missed with Stride. The urges begin to outweigh the previous fright and he leaves the pub. Now Lawende and co say its pouring with rain. They see the couple as the walk passed. Lawende see's enough of the man for his descrption to be withheld as important. He also see's the back of a short woman wearing a black hat and black jacket. Now we all know that in the dark, lots of colours look black. Given that the killer was seen by the trio at around 01.35, and the body found at 01.45ish that is between 8 and 12 minutes to do the dirty deeds. perhaps 2 minutes for the trio to move on, 1 or 2 minutes to get Cate into that dark corner. 4-8 minutes left. In this time he has to strangle(?) her, cut her throat deeply twice, unbutton the coat,(?) pull her skirts aside or cut through them, cut open the torso avoiding the navel, make several other stabs to the liver groin etc, cut the nose, cheeks, eyelids. Remove intestines, place colon next to body, arrange the arms so the palms face outwards, (this does not happen naturally because of the elbows, try it!) Then he romoves the uterus and the kidney, cuts a large piece of apron to wrap them in, and leaves by the only exit that has nobody in it. In 4-8 minutes. Dr Phillips stated during the Chapman inquest that it would have taken him a minimum of 15 minutes to carry our the mutilations on her body. But Eddowes far more mutilated body was done in half that time? This must beg the questions; Did Lawende really see the back of Eddowes? Chapman had a black hat and dark coat, Stride, long black coat, it seems this was the standard kit for the casual whore of Whitechapel, so could Lawende be seeing another tart and because it was adjacent to Mitre Square all assume it must have been her he saw? Could she not have been killed earlier and not found yet? For JtR to get from Stride to Eddowes and perform the way he did, then an hour later to achieve the events in Goulston street, his luck is incredible, his timing perfect, if this were in a novel or film we would laugh at the absurdity of it all!!!
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