Motivation?

[Michael W Richards]

Just like to toss this one in here see what you guys make of it. Simple questions; Why would Crawford want Lawende's description never to be revealed? Why instead,was the false description leaked to the Press and copied in the Police Gazette? How can it help to catch JtR by keeping what he looked like secret? If Lawende had said; 5'9" dark hair, big nose, and bowler. How could publishing that hinder the police? My theory is it wasn't what he looked like that was kept secret, it was something that identified him as a Free Mason. Like a watch charm showing the compass? Any thoughts?

Or as the Seaside Home story would have us believe, because of his visible ethnicity?

[miakaal4]

Or as the Seaside Home story would have us believe, because of his visible ethnicity?

But it didn't matter when they thought it was Pizer. Or when they rousted the Jewish club where Strides body was found? I cannot believe that.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Bridewell made a good post elsewhere on this subject. His idea being it was the City PC who was at seaside home. Not that he was pushing it as fact, just a theory. I'd buy into a theory that a City PC saw Jack and shat himself. They'd cover that up, quicker than the smell of his sharted PC blues.

[Simon Wood]

If “the only person who ever had a good view of the murderer” was a City policeman, he must also have been Jewish and, at the time of Kosminski’s identification, recuperating in a Seaside Home, where the suspect was “sent” to see the witness.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Well, like I said, it wasn't a solid conclusion. It's also getting into the Anderson statement being bang on accurate. And that's not agreed on. But Swanson backs it up in his marginalia. Or not. Good lord.

[Simon Wood]

Exactly.

The whole Anderson/Swanson Seaside Home story is Major BS.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Exactly.

The whole Anderson/Swanson Seaside Home story is Major BS.

Yeah, it makes no sense, and that's from a guy who's first serious opinions were based on Anderson's ascertations. But if Anderson was so wrong, what did Swanson mean? Is he supporting Anderson, or are they both totally wrong? To say Major BS requires some major explanation as to why, not for Anderson, but for Swanson. Was he wrong, forgetful, or misleading? He can be wrong, that's ok, but why exactly? I'd go for a desire to call closure on an unsolved case, that's human frailty. But it's not Major BS.

[Simon Wood]

Of course it's Major BS.

Unless you really believe that Donald Sutherland Swanson wrote the endpaper notation.

[The Baron]

Of course it's Major BS.

Unless you really believe that Donald Sutherland Swanson wrote the endpaper notation.

Who wrote it? Macnaghten ?!



The Baron

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Of course it's Major BS.

Unless you really believe that Donald Sutherland Swanson wrote the endpaper notation.

I'd be open minded, but Wood and Begg did a really good analysis. Both in Ripperologist and in a podcast. Seems pretty genuine. Doesn't make it right, that's a different issue, but DS notes seem legit. His own beliefs. Worth listening to?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Baron,

Macnaghten?

Heavens, no. He was too busy writing the Maybrick Diary

Regards,

Simon

[Wickerman]

Of course it's Major BS.

Unless you really believe that Donald Sutherland Swanson wrote the endpaper notation.

Weren't the endpapers compared with Swanson's known handwriting?

[Simon Wood]

It all depends who you're asking.

[Wickerman]

Lets just suppose I am asking you - have you compared the handwriting on the end papers with Swanson's known hand?

[miakaal4]

Getting back to motivation, do you mind if we follow JtR's shoes for a bit? Of course this is all from the "What if?" school of History.
So here he is in Dutfields yard, he has just cut Liz Strides throat and as he was making the second cut, a bloody horse and cart turn up! He slinks into the darkness as the driver peers at Liz's body. Deimshutz jumps off his cart and runs into the building. He moves away quickly. It's a close call. Heart beating madly, hands shaking. The repressed urges and the fact he was nearly caught literally red handed,would have unnerved him? So might he not hide the knife and pop into the nearest pub? Have a brandy to calm the nerves a bit? Perhaps while he is in there Cate Eddowes saunters in. The urge to cut her up begins to rise. Perhaps he is even day dreaming about what he missed with Stride. The urges begin to outweigh the previous fright and he leaves the pub. Now Lawende and co say its pouring with rain. They see the couple as the walk passed. Lawende see's enough of the man for his descrption to be withheld as important. He also see's the back of a short woman wearing a black hat and black jacket. Now we all know that in the dark, lots of colours look black. Given that the killer was seen by the trio at around 01.35, and the body found at 01.45ish that is between 8 and 12 minutes to do the dirty deeds. perhaps 2 minutes for the trio to move on, 1 or 2 minutes to get Cate into that dark corner. 4-8 minutes left. In this time he has to strangle(?) her, cut her throat deeply twice, unbutton the coat,(?) pull her skirts aside or cut through them, cut open the torso avoiding the navel, make several other stabs to the liver groin etc, cut the nose, cheeks, eyelids. Remove intestines, place colon next to body, arrange the arms so the palms face outwards, (this does not happen naturally because of the elbows, try it!) Then he romoves the uterus and the kidney, cuts a large piece of apron to wrap them in, and leaves by the only exit that has nobody in it. In 4-8 minutes. Dr Phillips stated during the Chapman inquest that it would have taken him a minimum of 15 minutes to carry our the mutilations on her body. But Eddowes far more mutilated body was done in half that time? This must beg the questions; Did Lawende really see the back of Eddowes? Chapman had a black hat and dark coat, Stride, long black coat, it seems this was the standard kit for the casual whore of Whitechapel, so could Lawende be seeing another tart and because it was adjacent to Mitre Square all assume it must have been her he saw? Could she not have been killed earlier and not found yet? For JtR to get from Stride to Eddowes and perform the way he did, then an hour later to achieve the events in Goulston street, his luck is incredible, his timing perfect, if this were in a novel or film we would laugh at the absurdity of it all!!!