Motivation?

[chubbs]

Reckon very few punters would pay to have sex with Nichols or Chapman.
Would have had to been mad ..... or blind

How wrong can you be? At least one of the poor murdered women told an acquaintance that she had made her nightly bed money several times over that night (and spent it on booze), shortly before she was killed. As you claim to be someone with an in-depth knowledge of the trade, I'm very surprised that you're unaware of the endless stream of punters that were (and are) prepared to pay for a quickie in an alleyway. Perhaps you only frequent the higher-class brothels?

[chubbs]

As final words go, those were good ones.

There are times when I wish this forum's response option wasn't limited to a 'like'. This really deserves a 'haha'

(I can, however, understand there being no 'dislike' button. Things can get a bit tasty from time to time in Ripperworld and they don't really need an extra layer of antagonism)

[scottnapa]

No prostitute would put themselves at risk with someone "who looked mad". I'm afraid I see no logic in your reasoning.

Syphilis manifests in multiple stages and over a prolonged period of time. Yes, mania can be a symptom but so are many others.

I just do not believe street-wise women would have knowingly or willingly gone with someone who presented as "mad".

They were desperate and drunk, but they were not stupid.

Since you and I agree, let me try again. I did not suggest the Ripper looked like a madman. I am talking about the articles in the papers. I should have written
"if we examine the suspects named in the newspapers at the time of the murders, inevitably it is someone who looked mad."
For example, the Pall Mall description of Leather Arpron--"His expression is sinister, and seems to be full of terror for the women who describe it. His eyes are small and glittering. His lips are usually parted in a grin which is not only not reassuring, but excessively repellent." my point was that if there are reports of the Ripper suspect that involves that suspect acting madly. I am LESS inclined to accept that suspect. I think we are seeking a criminal with internal burning anger , rather than a external one.

[FISHY1118]

I believe the killer's primary motivation was his desire to attack the female reproductive system.

The one thing that as a man he could never be in control of without resorting to murder.

The attack on his victim's uterus appears to be the one constant when we consider Kelly, Eddowes and Chapman.

But there's also the sense of demonstration as to what a knife could do to a female body; a blend of morbid curiosity mixed with a blood thirst for exploration.

We also have other multiple cuts inflicted on multiple victims that appear to stem from the killer's desire to cut and make holes in the female form.

Attacking the thighs, the forearms, the face, the nose, the ears, lips, eyelids etc...etc...

All of these additional cuts serve to highlight that the killer wasn't only looking for abdominal mutilations, but rather an overall need to just cut and inflict damage to as many parts of the body as possible within the limited time he had to do so.

There's also a lot of cuts that are for show, perhaps to add to the portrait of his work so to speak.

Now if we accept Stride as a Ripper victim, we can then reasonably conclude that the killer was disturbed.

But the murder of Stride leaves us with an important clue; the killer must have possessed a degree of strength and power when he was able to almost decapitate Stride with just one deep cut.

The force and pressure required to achieve that result would imply that the killer had physical power as an attribute.

That would surely rule out some of the physically weaker suspects, as they would not be capable of achieving a near one-cut decapitation.

Even Rambo would struggle to achieve that

The killer may have also been motivated by other factors including, the press, religion, or retribution against an unfortunate.

Or perhaps he wasn't motivated by anyone or anything and simply felt no empathy and just chose to go out and butcher innocent women because he wanted to.

Fascinating topic indeed

"That would surely rule out some of the physically weaker suspects, as they would not be capable of achieving a near one-cut decapitation."

I'm not sure i totally agree with you on this point RD, yes perhaps he was stronger than some ,we may never know .

However given the fact stride was killed while she was on the ground, it my belief that whoever cut her throat had the benefit of leveraging his weight downward to create force with the knife.

Your average height to weight male of adult age id say would be capable of the same force you described and mentioned in the inquest testimony. .

Just a thought in passing.

Strides killer was lefthanded imo.

[Abby Normal]

I believe the killer's primary motivation was his desire to attack the female reproductive system.

The one thing that as a man he could never be in control of without resorting to murder.

The attack on his victim's uterus appears to be the one constant when we consider Kelly, Eddowes and Chapman.

But there's also the sense of demonstration as to what a knife could do to a female body; a blend of morbid curiosity mixed with a blood thirst for exploration.

We also have other multiple cuts inflicted on multiple victims that appear to stem from the killer's desire to cut and make holes in the female form.

Attacking the thighs, the forearms, the face, the nose, the ears, lips, eyelids etc...etc...

All of these additional cuts serve to highlight that the killer wasn't only looking for abdominal mutilations, but rather an overall need to just cut and inflict damage to as many parts of the body as possible within the limited time he had to do so.

There's also a lot of cuts that are for show, perhaps to add to the portrait of his work so to speak.

Now if we accept Stride as a Ripper victim, we can then reasonably conclude that the killer was disturbed.

But the murder of Stride leaves us with an important clue; the killer must have possessed a degree of strength and power when he was able to almost decapitate Stride with just one deep cut.

The force and pressure required to achieve that result would imply that the killer had physical power as an attribute.

That would surely rule out some of the physically weaker suspects, as they would not be capable of achieving a near one-cut decapitation.

Even Rambo would struggle to achieve that

The killer may have also been motivated by other factors including, the press, religion, or retribution against an unfortunate.

Or perhaps he wasn't motivated by anyone or anything and simply felt no empathy and just chose to go out and butcher innocent women because he wanted to.

Fascinating topic indeed

bingo rookie
totally agree with everything you say here, and ive been saying it all for years. i would just add that imho he def had a motivation to shock/ toy with/ taunt the press, police and public.

[Lewis C]

But the murder of Stride leaves us with an important clue; the killer must have possessed a degree of strength and power when he was able to almost decapitate Stride with just one deep cut.

The force and pressure required to achieve that result would imply that the killer had physical power as an attribute.

That would surely rule out some of the physically weaker suspects, as they would not be capable of achieving a near one-cut decapitation.

Even Rambo would struggle to achieve that

Hi RD,

The question of which suspects were physically strong enough to be the Ripper is one that perhaps hasn't received as much attention as it should. I have heard it claimed that Francis Thompson likely wasn't strong enough to be him, but really haven't seen that claimed for any other suspect. I suppose that with many suspects, we just don't have enough info.

[The Rookie Detective]

I believe the killer's primary motivation was his desire to attack the female reproductive system.

The one thing that as a man he could never be in control of without resorting to murder.

The attack on his victim's uterus appears to be the one constant when we consider Kelly, Eddowes and Chapman.

But there's also the sense of demonstration as to what a knife could do to a female body; a blend of morbid curiosity mixed with a blood thirst for exploration.

We also have other multiple cuts inflicted on multiple victims that appear to stem from the killer's desire to cut and make holes in the female form.

Attacking the thighs, the forearms, the face, the nose, the ears, lips, eyelids etc...etc...

All of these additional cuts serve to highlight that the killer wasn't only looking for abdominal mutilations, but rather an overall need to just cut and inflict damage to as many parts of the body as possible within the limited time he had to do so.

There's also a lot of cuts that are for show, perhaps to add to the portrait of his work so to speak.

Now if we accept Stride as a Ripper victim, we can then reasonably conclude that the killer was disturbed.

But the murder of Stride leaves us with an important clue; the killer must have possessed a degree of strength and power when he was able to almost decapitate Stride with just one deep cut.

The force and pressure required to achieve that result would imply that the killer had physical power as an attribute.

That would surely rule out some of the physically weaker suspects, as they would not be capable of achieving a near one-cut decapitation.

Even Rambo would struggle to achieve that

The killer may have also been motivated by other factors including, the press, religion, or retribution against an unfortunate.

Or perhaps he wasn't motivated by anyone or anything and simply felt no empathy and just chose to go out and butcher innocent women because he wanted to.

Fascinating topic indeed

[Admin]

As final words go, those were good ones.

[DJA]

Having friends who ran several brothels in South Brisbane/the Gabba, where I would drop in sometimes for a drink and a smoke,I have a fair idea as to what is marketable.
Being considered good looking,even at my age,I might just take you up on that.
I'll ask the young lady who gives me sponge baths if she'll oblige ...... with her 'phone camera.
Do you desire the full Monty or just the head job.

[Admin]

Reckon very few punters would pay to have sex with Nichols or Chapman.
Would have had to been mad ..... or blind

....

Oh please do enlighten us on your very particular views as to what makes a woman f*ckable? Also, while you're at it, include a photo of yourself so we can judge for ourselves whether a woman would have to be desperate, mad or drunk to consider you a f*ckable candidate.

We absolutely can't WAIT for your response.

[DJA]

Reckon very few punters would pay to have sex with Nichols or Chapman.
Would have had to been mad ..... or blind

[erobitha]

Syphilis is overstated as a reason for murder a stranger.

Bury, and others are suggested as a good candidates because a sexual diseases has brought forth a hatred of women and prostitutes

At that time more than 10% of London’s population was estimated to be infected.

Over a quarter million people had syphilis in London but only one Jack the Ripper. Hmm.

Syphilis can only be considered a factor as an accelerant of rage that is already in place.

If we examine the suspects named at the time of the murders, inevitably it is someone who looked “mad”.

The press calls the Whitechapel murderer as a monster, and the public eyes every oddly behaving charcter as possible Ripper.

The Ripper gets away with his crimes because he doesn't look like a monster on the outside.

I am less inclined to accept a suspect, based on the fact that he looked suspicious to citizens of Whitechapel.

No prostitute would put themselves at risk with someone "who looked mad". I'm afraid I see no logic in your reasoning.

Syphilis manifests in multiple stages and over a prolonged period of time. Yes, mania can be a symptom but so are many others.

I just do not believe street-wise women would have knowingly or willingly gone with someone who presented as "mad".

They were desperate and drunk, but they were not stupid.

[scottnapa]

Syphilis is overstated as a reason for murder a stranger.

Bury, and others are suggested as a good candidates because a sexual diseases has brought forth a hatred of women and prostitutes

At that time more than 10% of London’s population was estimated to be infected.

Over a quarter million people had syphilis in London but only one Jack the Ripper. Hmm.

Syphilis can only be considered a factor as an accelerant of rage that is already in place.

If we examine the suspects named at the time of the murders, inevitably it is someone who looked “mad”.

The press calls the Whitechapel murderer as a monster, and the public eyes every oddly behaving charcter as possible Ripper.

The Ripper gets away with his crimes because he doesn't look like a monster on the outside.

I am less inclined to accept a suspect, based on the fact that he looked suspicious to citizens of Whitechapel.

[John Wheat]

I must admit, with my limited experience, Bury is my current favourite. From my limited reading so far, he was a very angry, psychopathic, narcissistic, misogynistic, alcoholic criminal who came to London to improve his life, only to find himself sleeping next to horse manure and being infected with an STI. His dreams were shattered and (in my opinion) his psychopathy took over.
I've learned this mainly thanks to people like you, whose combined wealth of knowledge and laudable efforts make it much easier for newcomers like me to get into the nitty gritty of the case. Others here may be aware of your prime suspect (if you have one), but I am not. Do you have one?

Hi Chubbs

Thanks. I think Bury was the Ripper for reasons you have outlined and some others.

Cheers John

[chubbs]

Sounds like your describing a psychopath and the Ripper here Chubbs.

Cheers John

I must admit, with my limited experience, Bury is my current favourite. From my limited reading so far, he was a very angry, psychopathic, narcissistic, misogynistic, alcoholic criminal who came to London to improve his life, only to find himself sleeping next to horse manure and being infected with an STI. His dreams were shattered and (in my opinion) his psychopathy took over.
I've learned this mainly thanks to people like you, whose combined wealth of knowledge and laudable efforts make it much easier for newcomers like me to get into the nitty gritty of the case. Others here may be aware of your prime suspect (if you have one), but I am not. Do you have one?