Double Event Timeline

[Wickerman]

Is there a consensus on how big the graphito was?

Det. Halse told us:
"There were three lines of writing in a good schoolboys round hand. The size of the capital letters would be about 3/4 in, and the other letters were in proportion"

Regards, Jon S.

[RedBundy13]

just wondering

Is there a consensus on how big the graphito was?

[Hunter]

There are many recent threads on that subject. A search will find enough material to read for a week.

But, a short answer to your question is that many people here, have suggested that as a possibility. Since we don't know who killed any of these women or the mental state of the perpetrator, any plausible guess is just as valid as another one.

Both Arnold and Warren believed that the graffiti was problematic if the public thought that it was written by the killer because of what happened after the Chapman murder.

[RedBundy13]

Why he wrote what he wrote

I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of why he would have written what he did in the doorway on Goulston St.? I have found a part in Rumbelow's book where it said that after Annie Chapmann's death a "mob" had gathered and had started attacking Jews that were nearby because they had said that "No Englishman could do such a heinous act on a woman..." Could it be that JtR had come back to the scene of the crime to witness the mob and then on his next set of murders had hoped to repeat the same scenario where a mob would form and attack the jews again? Since, I believe, that the graphito was written in a doorway of a Jewish building, in a predominantly jewish neighborhood? Any other thoughts on the meaning of his words?

[lynn cates]

Kaufman thread

Hello Luke. Try this.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4566&highlight=kaufman

Cheers.
LC

[Luke111]

No worries, Adam. We're simply having suspicions that members of the IWEC could have been targeted with provocatory acts, so as to appear involved in the Whitechapel murders. À la Bachert.

To Luke:
The Okhrana was a Russian governmental secret police organisation not just hunting socialists and anarchists internationally, but also arranging provocatory terrorist acts involving/exposing said anarchists. Piòtr Rachkovski, a Okhrana chief in the 1880s/1890s, moved his bureau from Paris to London in the summer of 1888. Rachkovsky is documented to have engaged small detective agencies into organizing provocatory acts against the socialists/anarchists. One of the Ripper suspects run a detective agency (most plausibly as a cover for some other kind of illegal activities). We're trying to research this. Any results will appear in articles in the magazines (Ripperologist and The new independent review).

I see. Do you have any links to articles / other information about this ? Because it sounds really interesting.

[mariab]

Please don't tell me that theory is still abounding that a member of the IWMEC was in some way involved in the Stride/JTR murders?

No worries, Adam. We're simply having suspicions that members of the IWEC could have been targeted with provocatory acts, so as to appear involved in the Whitechapel murders. À la Bachert.

To Luke:
The Okhrana was a Russian governmental secret police organisation not just hunting socialists and anarchists internationally, but also arranging provocatory terrorist acts involving/exposing said anarchists. Piòtr Rachkovski, a Okhrana chief in the 1880s/1890s, moved his bureau from Paris to London in the summer of 1888. Rachkovsky is documented to have engaged small detective agencies into organizing provocatory acts against the socialists/anarchists. One of the Ripper suspects run a detective agency (most plausibly as a cover for some other kind of illegal activities). We're trying to research this. Any results will appear in articles in the magazines (Ripperologist and The new independent review).

[lynn cates]

Rachkovski

Hello Luke. Rachkovski was the Russian Okhrana chief summoned to London to combat the proliferation of Anarchists in the East End. This was in summer 1888.

Cheers.
LC

[Luke111]

Hello Lynn.
I'll be investigating all this, as well as you-know-whose bank account (pertaining to which, remind me to ask you for help, if possible, about Piòtr Rachkovsky's bank connection). It's still too early to say.

Hi maria, I was wondering if you could enlighten a relativly new member of the casebook what this means? Whos Piotr Rachkovsky? Looking forward for your reply

[Adam Went]

Please don't tell me that theory is still abounding that a member of the IWMEC was in some way involved in the Stride/JTR murders?

Cheers,
Adam.

[Rubyretro]

"If one rents a second residence in the same town where they live, it most plausibly refers to no good. Extra-marital activities or crime might be involved."

So might a good income. A suspect known to have rented a house in Aldgate would be . . . ?

Not at all (I have done this, and know people that do). It may be for a perfectly innocent business activity, or to get some space to paint or something (so obviously the luxury of being able to make priorities in your income is a factor, even if you're not rich).

[lynn cates]

research

Hello Maria. Be delighted. Good research project.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Hello Lynn.
I'll be investigating all this, as well as you-know-whose bank account (pertaining to which, remind me to ask you for help, if possible, about Piòtr Rachkovsky's bank connection). It's still too early to say.

[lynn cates]

Aldgate and stuff

Hello Maria.

"Obviously he would have walked with the piece of bloody apron well hidden, possibly wrapped in something inside of one of his pockets.'

As you wish. But let's say his testosterone levels are higher than mine.

"Lynn, there's no way that the perp rented a place at Goulston. But a member of the IWEC documentedly did.'

Very well, and . . . ?

"Which might have been a known fact to a local, esp. if said local was involved with the WVC and other activities on Berner Street."

Possibly. But . . . ?

"If one rents a second residence in the same town where they live, it most plausibly refers to no good. Extra-marital activities or crime might be involved."

So might a good income. A suspect known to have rented a house in Aldgate would be . . . ?

"By the by, Le Grand might have been renting a second place in Aldgate."

Alright. How strong is the "might" here?

Cheers.
LC

[Rubyretro]

So, and I am speculating here: The killer killed Stride, was interupted by Diemschultz, fled the scene, and found new victim in Eddowes. After he killed her he cut off a piece of her apron, went to Goulston Street (in a street/area of the east end populated by many Jews), wrote the Grafitto, and left the apron underneith it. Then he vanished into the night.

Not sure about this theory though, so id like to hear your thoughts.

[/QUOTE]

My speculation would be : The killer murdered Stride, fled the scene possibly because he was interrupted (but he could have always intended 2 murders, or found the place too dodgy for mutilations), and found a new victim in Eddowes. After he killed her he cut off a piece of her apron, went to Goulston
Street (..), didn't write the graffito but buzzed the rag into the doorway as quickly as possible (although intentionally targeting that building), and went home.

Re 'The Apron' thread, I would go with Long not seeing the rag when he first checked, for various reasons. However, the killer could have gone for a drink
to steady his nerves or simply stopped off to talk to someone he knew in the street -how would we know ?- before dropping the apron. He might have wanted to be seen behaving normally, and not covered in blood, after the killing, in order to avert suspicion to feel clever and crafty. Timelines are interesting, but there are too many unknown factors.