Double Event Timeline

[Bridewell]

C2

Hi Bridewell

As you imply Lynn believes it's a C2

Dave

Dave,

By process of elimination, that would be Nichols & Chapman presumably?

Lynn,

Good luck with proving the existence of that letter!

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Bridewell

As you imply Lynn believes it's a C2

Dave

[Bridewell]

The Letter

Jon - I swear Lynn's got something...in fact two somethings is what he's been teasing us with (unless I'm very much mistaken)...but I reckon it only works if the C5 are C4, C3 or possibly less...Lynn's premise has to be the attempted blackmail of a serial killer who wishes to feel a lady's organs!

Fess up Lynn!

Best wishes

Dave

Dave,

I think so too, but I'm not sure where a letter fits in. I don't think Lynn believes there was a serial killer at all, by the FBI's definition at least.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

there`s some evidence to support a serial killer who wished to feel a lady`s organs and none to support a blackmail theory?

Jon - I swear Lynn's got something...in fact two somethings is what he's been teasing us with (unless I'm very much mistaken)...but I reckon it only works if the C5 are C4, C3 or possibly less...Lynn's premise has to be the attempted blackmail of a serial killer who wishes to feel a lady's organs!

Fess up Lynn!

Best wishes

Dave

[Jon Guy]

Well, with all due respect to my colleagues who believe in serial killers who wish to feel a lady's organs, although I cannot understand THAT motive, I do understand blackmail.

Thing is Lynn, there`s some evidence to support a serial killer who wished to feel a lady`s organs and none to support a blackmail theory?

[lynn cates]

blackmail

Hello Bridewell. Well, with all due respect to my colleagues who believe in serial killers who wish to feel a lady's organs, although I cannot understand THAT motive, I do understand blackmail.

Also understand a desire to kill the blackmailer and palm her off as a "ripper job."

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

A Letter?

Hello Neil. Well, insofar as both had belongings ransacked. But Annie's was laid out in a neat pile; not so Kate. Annie had some worthless rings taken. What about Kate? Well, only speculation, but I believe she had a worthless letter taken.

That is what I must now try to find evidence for.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

I'll bite - someone has to. What do you think the letter relates to?

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

same/different

Hello Neil. Well, insofar as both had belongings ransacked. But Annie's was laid out in a neat pile; not so Kate. Annie had some worthless rings taken. What about Kate? Well, only speculation, but I believe she had a worthless letter taken.

That is what I must now try to find evidence for.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Hello Neil. Well, as I recall, some of her effects were out on the ground. Inspector Collard listed 3 small buttons, one metal button, a thimble and (in my feeble mind most important) the tin with the pawn tickets.

Cheers.
LC

Some of her belongings Lynn.

Similar to Chapman, no?

Monty

[lynn cates]

Giving her the slip.

Hello Jon.

"If her daughter had moved Eddowes could still obtain the new address. People naturally leave a forwarding address and possibly, the only way she was going to find out the new address."

Often that's true. But why did the daughter say she had left in the first place? What had she wished to preclude?

"Well, he either probably had the gut feeling that she was the Mitre Sq victim and was building up the courage to identify her at the morgue, or she was going to return to Flower and Dean St at any moment. In the end he DID go to Bishopsgate Police station, his worries confirmed when he picked up a newspaper and recognised the name on the pawn ticket."

Just out of curiousity, do you really believe this or do you merely offer an alternative possibility?

Cheers.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Possibly; possibly not. In which case, why is Kate going there anyway?

If her daughter had moved Eddowes could still obtain the new address. People naturally leave a forwarding address and possibly, the only way she was going to find out the new address.

"Well, if she had given her correct name and address the police would have visited Flower and Dean St, just as they checked out the false address in Dorset St following the discovery that the murdered woman was the one they had in the Bishopsgate cell."

And John knew this? (By the way, 2 detectives went there, anyway.)

Yes, two detectives visited. They visited most of the common lodging houses that morning asking the keepers about any strangers, or lodgers who might have come in late. It had nothing to do with identifying the victim.

So he continues NOT to seek her whereabouts? No frantic search--especially as they had been discussing the WCM?

Well, he either probably had the gut feeling that she was the Mitre Sq victim and was building up the courage to identify her at the morgue, or she was going to return to Flower and Dean St at any moment. In the end he DID go to Bishopsgate Police station, his worries confirmed when he picked up a newspaper and recognised the name on the pawn ticket.

[lynn cates]

Collard

Hello Neil. Well, as I recall, some of her effects were out on the ground. Inspector Collard listed 3 small buttons, one metal button, a thimble and (in my feeble mind most important) the tin with the pawn tickets.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Not that there's evidence of Eddowes effects being ransack however,

Chapman.

Monty

[lynn cates]

scenario

Hello Bridewell.

"She could also have been trying to sell the information to a Fleet Street journalist."

NOW you're talking. Right now, I am involved in investigating that very angle. There is a story about "a woman who died a strange and violent death" for spreading stories about one such journalist.

If you look at Kate and John's movements, they are congruent with a meeting--Kate shuttling back and forth to arrange terms. The one being blackmailed could then meet her in a pub and get her snoggered and in gaol. Perfect place to keep until that night. Then, get her to Mitre sq for her "payoff."

When she is found, "Ah! Mitre sq, know what she was about."

I daresay John got the message and blanched. That would account for his lies at inquest.

And this would also explain why her effects were ransacked.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Havisham

Hello Dave.

"I don't think she was going to Bermondsey at all - I think she was going out to earn money the only way she knew how...but of course Kelly couldn't admit that to the police could he?"

Very well. So then when she did not return Sunday morning surely he must have thought something wrong?

No, I don't like his story one bit. Looks sham to me.

Cheers.
LC