Double Event Timeline

[mariab]

But I also think it risky walking about with a piece of bloody apron.

Obviously he would have walked with the piece of bloody apron well hidden, possibly wrapped in something inside of one of his pockets.

He rents 2 places. Why? Not because he plans to rip ladies, surely? So, to what purpose? And why in Goulston st if he lives in Aldgate?

Lynn, there's no way that the perp rented a place at Goulston. But a member of the IWEC documentedly did. Which might have been a known fact to a local, esp. if said local was involved with the WVC and other activitites on Berner Street.
If one rents a second residence in the same town where they live, it most plausibly refers to no good. Extra-marital activities or crime might be involved.
By the by, Le Grand might have been renting a second place in Aldgate.

PS.: I'll order the AFs to be shipped to you as printouts, no microfilm, first thing tomorrow.

[lynn cates]

por que

Hello Maria.

"A bit too risky to leave the apron there if the perp himself lived in Goulston, Lynn."

Agreed. But I also think it risky walking about with a piece of bloody apron.

"Do you subscribe to geographic profiling?"

Most certainly not.

"2 of the Ripper suspects had the means, and one of them most certainly could have rented 2 places."

Alright, let's follow this out. He rents 2 places. Why? Not because he plans to rip ladies, surely? So, to what purpose? And why in Goulston st if he lives in Aldgate?

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

If his stop over was in Aldgate and he lived on Goulston, then he must have had 2 places. A man of some means.

A bit too risky to leave the apron there if the perp himself lived in Goulston, Lynn. Do you subscribe to geographic profiling?
2 of the Ripper suspects had the means, and one of them most certainly could have rented 2 places.

[Adam Went]

Don't forget Morris Eagle, James Brown and our beloved (*grinds teeth*) Fanny Mortimer!

Cheers,
Adam.

[lynn cates]

logistics

Hello Luke, Abby. If the "Ripper" stopped off before heading to Goulston, where was his stop over? In Aldgate? Where did he live?

If his stop over was in Aldgate and he lived on Goulston, then he must have had 2 places. A man of some means.

But if he lived in Aldgate, then went to Goulston, when did he return home? In the midst of the hurly-burly?

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Might be. What kind of items are you referring to?
(i guess its a myth that the ripper washed his hands somewhere public before he wrote the grafitto )

I'll give you 3 guesses. : )

[Luke111]

Might be. What kind of items are you referring to?
(i guess its a myth that the ripper washed his hands somewhere public before he wrote the grafitto )

[Abby Normal]

Ive posted this on this forum before, but id thought Id give it another shot. Ive tried to put together a timeline of the double event, where both Stride and Eddowes where killed. Looking forward to reading your responses.

Double Event Timeline


29th September 1888

• 10.00 Pm: City PC 881 Edward Watkins commences first full round on his beat, including Mitre Square.

• 12.00 AM Matthew Packer claims to have sold grapes to Elizabeth Stride and a man.

30th September 1888

• 12.35 AM Stride is seen on Berner street accompanied by an unknown man carrying a parcel, by PC William Smith.
• 12.45 AM Israel Schwartz sees a woman (he later identified her as stride) who is pulled from the gateway (to the yard were the murder was commited ) being pulled into commercial street by a man. The man screams "Lipski" at him, Schwartz leaves, and is followed by another pipe smoking man who was on the opposite side of the road.
• 1:00 AM: Louis Diemschultz enters Dutfields Yards with his cart and pony. He later reported his pony shied and refused to proceed into the yard (because of the killer who was still in the yard ?). Diemschultz discovers the body of Stride, which was still warm, according to him.
• 1:00 AM: Catherine Eddowes is seen leaving Bishopgate police station after spending the night for being drunk.
• 1:35 AM Joseph Lawende and friends see Eddowes at the corner of Duke Street and Church Passage talking to a man about 5 feet 7 inches in height.
• 1:45 AM: PC Edwards Watkins discoveres Eddowes body in Mitre Square.
• 2.20 AM: PC Alfred Long passes entrance staircase to 108-109 Wentworth Dwellings in Goulston Street without noticing anything unusual.
• 2.55 AM: PC Long passes the same spot and finds a bloody piece of a womans apron. On the wall above, the Goulston Street Graffito.

So, and I am speculating here: The killer killed Stride, was interupted by Diemschultz, fled the scene, and found new victim in Eddowes. After he killed her he cut off a piece of her apron, went to Goulston Street (in a street/area of the east end populated by many Jews), wrote the Grafitto, and left the apron underneith it. Then he vanished into the night.

Not sure about this theory though, so id like to hear your thoughts.

Hi Luke
Sounds good to me. I would just add that before going to Goulston street, the killer went somewhere to drop of a few items and pick up a piece of chalk, which would explain why the PC did not see anything at 2:20.

[Luke111]

Ive posted this on this forum before, but id thought Id give it another shot. Ive tried to put together a timeline of the double event, where both Stride and Eddowes where killed. Looking forward to reading your responses.

Double Event Timeline


29th September 1888

• 10.00 Pm: City PC 881 Edward Watkins commences first full round on his beat, including Mitre Square.

• 12.00 AM Matthew Packer claims to have sold grapes to Elizabeth Stride and a man.

30th September 1888

• 12.35 AM Stride is seen on Berner street accompanied by an unknown man carrying a parcel, by PC William Smith.
• 12.45 AM Israel Schwartz sees a woman (he later identified her as stride) who is pulled from the gateway (to the yard were the murder was commited ) being pulled into commercial street by a man. The man screams "Lipski" at him, Schwartz leaves, and is followed by another pipe smoking man who was on the opposite side of the road.
• 1:00 AM: Louis Diemschultz enters Dutfields Yards with his cart and pony. He later reported his pony shied and refused to proceed into the yard (because of the killer who was still in the yard ?). Diemschultz discovers the body of Stride, which was still warm, according to him.
• 1:00 AM: Catherine Eddowes is seen leaving Bishopgate police station after spending the night for being drunk.
• 1:35 AM Joseph Lawende and friends see Eddowes at the corner of Duke Street and Church Passage talking to a man about 5 feet 7 inches in height.
• 1:45 AM: PC Edwards Watkins discoveres Eddowes body in Mitre Square.
• 2.20 AM: PC Alfred Long passes entrance staircase to 108-109 Wentworth Dwellings in Goulston Street without noticing anything unusual.
• 2.55 AM: PC Long passes the same spot and finds a bloody piece of a womans apron. On the wall above, the Goulston Street Graffito.

So, and I am speculating here: The killer killed Stride, was interupted by Diemschultz, fled the scene, and found new victim in Eddowes. After he killed her he cut off a piece of her apron, went to Goulston Street (in a street/area of the east end populated by many Jews), wrote the Grafitto, and left the apron underneith it. Then he vanished into the night.

Not sure about this theory though, so id like to hear your thoughts.