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  • C. F. Leon
    Detective
    • May 2012
    • 374

    #241
    Originally posted by Ally View Post
    I covered that in my previous reply. Given that the post-mortem occurred almost 20+ hours after her last probable connection time, given a quick wipe and time passing, it is entirely likely there would have been no evidence of sex to be seen. Which is not to say it hadn't been had.
    This brings upn the question of how good were Police Forensics at the time? We know determination of Time Of Death was rather limited. Could they have discovered a bit of dried semen 48 hours later? How much was affected by LV or class morality? Which of the doctors/coroners is considered most reliable on a medical basis based on his career and modern knowledge?

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    • DVV
      Suspended
      • Apr 2008
      • 6014

      #242
      Originally posted by Digalittledeeperwatson View Post
      I would add how many victims by any one killer and which? If that is not worded too terribly.
      And well, it works.
      It has become nearly impossible to have a fruitful discussion on precanonical possible victims of the ripper.
      Indeed, what for ?
      He never existed. Or merely committed a double murder.

      The other victims caught a virulent flu.

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      • Observer
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Mar 2008
        • 3188

        #243
        Hi Leon

        The police, coroner's, and the doctor's of the time were knocked sideways by the series of events occurring in the Autumn of 1888. None of them had experienced anything like it. Their views on the murder's differed significantly, hence the dearth of conspiracy theories we have rebounding about at the moment. Murderer's whom have adopted very similar methods to Jack The Ripper have followed him. However certain poster's totally ignore this fact, they have an axe to grind you see. The exploits of these individuals of course were lost on the officials trying to apprehend Jack The Ripper. I'm sure their thoughts, and actions, would have been significantly different had they the knowledge we possess today.

        Regards

        Observer
        Last edited by Observer; 07-03-2013, 06:56 PM.

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        • Observer
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Mar 2008
          • 3188

          #244
          Originally posted by DVV View Post
          The other victims caught a virulent flu.
          I know of a couple of posters appearing in these very messageboards who have definitely flu over the cuckoo's nest

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #245
            worthy

            Hello Barbara. Thanks.

            Worthy a thread?

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • DVV
              Suspended
              • Apr 2008
              • 6014

              #246
              Originally posted by Observer View Post
              Their views on the murder's differed significantly, hence the dearth of conspiracy theories we have rebounding about at the moment. Murderer's whom have adopted very similar methods to Jack The Ripper have followed him. However certain poster's totally ignore this fact, they have an axe to grind you see.
              Observer
              Hi Obs,

              Exactly. They also forget how special is 1888. When compared to the previous year, for example.
              Far more important, in their opinion, is Kate's pocket.
              It sures tells so much.

              Cheers

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              • DVV
                Suspended
                • Apr 2008
                • 6014

                #247
                Originally posted by Observer View Post
                I know of a couple of posters appearing in these very messageboards who have definitely flu over the cuckoo's nest
                And they've solved the Kesey, you know.

                Cheers

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                • C. F. Leon
                  Detective
                  • May 2012
                  • 374

                  #248
                  Originally posted by DVV View Post
                  And they've solved the Kesey, you know.

                  Cheers
                  Ouch! (Sounds like one my father would have made.)

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                  • Observer
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 3188

                    #249
                    Considering the question posed in an earlier post, namely, considering the canonical five, why the lack of sexual penetration. Might I point out that in certain subsequent series of murders,( Sutcliffe, comes to mind) the perpetrator's have not been physically capable of normal intercourse.

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                    • DVV
                      Suspended
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 6014

                      #250
                      Originally posted by C. F. Leon View Post
                      Ouch! (Sounds like one my father would have made.)
                      I usually make worse

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                      • Observer
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 3188

                        #251
                        Originally posted by DVV View Post
                        Hi Obs,

                        Exactly. They also forget how special is 1888. When compared to the previous year, for example.
                        Far more important, in their opinion, is Kate's pocket.
                        It sures tells so much.

                        Cheers
                        Hi David

                        And the fact that Isenschmidt was fond of bonny trinkets!

                        Regards

                        Observer

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                        • C. F. Leon
                          Detective
                          • May 2012
                          • 374

                          #252
                          Originally posted by Observer View Post
                          Considering the question posed in an earlier post, namely, considering the canonical five, why the lack of sexual penetration. Might I point out that in certain subsequent series of murders,( Sutcliffe, comes to mind) the perpetrator's have not been physically capable of normal intercourse.
                          But apparently the usual method for this style of prostitution was NOT penetration, but the woman using her thighs to get the guy off. The state most of them were (both male and female), it probably didn't matter as long as they "had a bit of jolly".

                          That said, I'm pretty certain that if we knew who 'Jack' was, we'd know more or less the motive, and vice-versa- if we knew the motive, we'd have a pretty good idea who the killer was, or at least the portion of the population that he came from. The sexual dysfunction theory is as good as any proposed and better than most. But no real evidence for it- just speculation based on modern profiling.

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                          • Beowulf
                            Sergeant
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 537

                            #253
                            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                            Hello Barbara. Thanks.

                            Worthy a thread?

                            Cheers.
                            LC
                            Yes, but I cannot think of a proper title or first question.

                            Care to have a go?

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                            • DVV
                              Suspended
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 6014

                              #254
                              Originally posted by C. F. Leon View Post
                              That said, I'm pretty certain that if we knew who 'Jack' was, we'd know more or less the motive, and vice-versa- if we knew the motive, we'd have a pretty good idea who the killer was, or at least the portion of the population that he came from. The sexual dysfunction theory is as good as any proposed and better than most. But no real evidence for it- just speculation based on modern profiling.
                              I'm not sure we would know the motive if we knew his name.
                              I mean : we will still be speculating, and comparing what he did to known and (more or less) similar modern serial killers.

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                              • Observer
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 3188

                                #255
                                Hi Leon

                                "But apparently the usual method for this style of prostitution was NOT penetration, but the woman using her thighs to get the guy off."

                                The incidence of sexual disease among prostitutes and their clients tell a different story though.

                                And what if the customer wanted penetration? Do you think the prostitute would have say in the matter? I'm sure full sex took place, as far as prostitution was concerned in the LVP.

                                Forget profiling, have a go at common sense.

                                Regards

                                Observer

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