What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[lynn cates]

Doug and Dimmesdale

Hello Dave.

"Sorry Neil I couldn't resist"

Ah! You're a naughty boy, Clement!

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

rule

Hello Neil. Indeed.

And John Kelly was fully conversant with that rule.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

high time

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"I must admit I'd never previously considered the dialogue between Eddowes and PC Hutt as that vital."

Well, perhaps it's not. But it DOES give us a glimpse into Kate's thinking.

It is oft repeated that LVP were not punctual. Very well. And one would expect Kate to wish to return home, but not be too concerned about time.

But here, she asks and Hutt makes a snide remark. But she insists, "Well, but what time is it?" Sounds like concern to me.

Why?

Cheers.
LC

[RivkahChaya]

People who have been alcoholics for a long time can appear sober when they still have a measurable BAC. What's more, someone who is a genuine alcohol addict can get very ill if forced to go through sudden withdrawal. That's what the DTs are. People can die during a seizure when they have the DTs.

If Eddowes was a genuine addict, having access to alcohol was more important to her than having a bed for the night. The shakes and the vomiting when a person starts going into withdrawal are really awful. I've never experienced them, but I've seen them.

I don't know that she was an alcoholic, but I've seen her described that way. I'm not really sure what the definition of alcoholic is anymore, though. It used to be reserved for addicts who would go into physical withdrawal, but lately, it seems to be applied to anyone who tends to act like an ******* when he drinks, or anyone who drinks to escape real (as opposed to imagined, or blown out of proportion) problems in his or her life, whether or not the person is actually addicted. Anyway, it sounds like Eddowes got drunk pretty frequently, but I've never heard about her having the DTs.

[Cogidubnus]

But do they define sober as a state of being able to spell "their" correctly? Sorry Neil I couldn't resist, and I'm sure you'll get your own back!

All the best
Dave

[Monty]

City release there drunks when they were deemed sober, and clearly Eddowes was.

Ripperologist 75....I think.

Monty

[Cogidubnus]

Definitely Gwyneth, sight unseen, (you see I, at least, know how to treat a lady! ), but also, just possibly the proposition - I must admit I'd never previously considered the dialogue between Eddowes and PC Hutt as that vital...

If nothing else, this particular exchange has taught me the importance of even the minutiae - so thanks both Lynn and Gwyneth

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

cute

Hello Dave. Thanks.

Very well, then--"cute."

Now, does that refer to the levity or Gwyneth? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Which, if any, witnesses lied in their inquest testimony / statements to police?

A very good question.

[Cogidubnus]

She is Lynn, I agree...

All the best

Dave

PS I'm waiting for the bit when you say "Cute" - I love that!

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks. You are too kind.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Heh heh

Hello DALDW,

Except that the releasing officer said that it was too late for her to get anything more to drink.

Best wishes,
C4

I'm sure there were ways to get alcohol past hours. I believe I recall a discussion about that very thing. Blotchy and his pail O'beer. I know that prob would've been my aim anyways.

[RivkahChaya]

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

"Washing externally doesn't get rid of internal semen."

Quite. The ladies were checked INTERNALLY (no sign of recent connection) as well as EXTERNALLY (no secretions on thighs).

That was rather my point. Washing, assuming they did it, was for the benefit of the next customer. Douching, if they did it, would have been for birth control, the only problem being that it wasn't a very effective form of birth control, as it could actually force semen further along into the cervix, and they probably had access only to the kind of water likely to give them infections. However, if any of them did do that, it probably would get rid of the visual evidence of "connection."

But, I'm assuming that what they did was swab, and examine the swabs under a microscope. If they found motile sperm, they would have "evidence of recent connection." Sperm can remain motile inside a woman's vagina for 72 hours, although, if the woman is dead, and her body temperature is below 98.6°F, I assume they die faster, but the victims were all found pretty soon. There could still be non-motile sperm visible in a swab, but it would be harder to say whether they were dead due to time, or temperature. I mean, vaginal secretions slough out ejaculate, and gravity helps, so the assumption probably would be that non-motile sperm were dead due to the temperature of the body.

Sperm were first observed in semen under microscope in the 1670s, so I'm pretty sure the coroner would know to look for it.

Hello Observer,

Yes, I suppose you do have a point. Could be.

Hello Trevor,

No, still think that it sounds more as though she wanted out. Perhaps she could get some idea of the time from church clocks striking the hour nearby? In the normal order of things, wouldn't she have been kept there until the morning? Kelly seemed to have thought so.

Best wishes
C4

Hi Mr Marriot

Right. So are you of an opinion that Eddowes was gently shown the door so to speak? It was in fact the police who used their initiative to put Eddowes back on the street. It certainly looks that way.

Regards

Observer

Do we have the word of anyone but the cop who released her that Eddowes kept asking to get out? If she was released earlier than was SOP, and met her death, the person who released her would probably be in for some questioning. Could he have made up that story?

[curious4]

Too late

Jail is jail. Ripper or no. Maybe she had a place to be or something to do. Maybe she just wanted to NOT be in jail. If she was sincere about the impending hiding she would receive it is understandable she did not run towards it. She had been quite drunk previously, so some dog hair could have been a reasonable first step in the rest of her evening.

Hello DALDW,

Except that the releasing officer said that it was too late for her to get anything more to drink.

Best wishes,
C4

[curious4]

Headings

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

A dark part of Mitre sq? Excellent place for a clandestine meeting, eh?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

That heading takes my prize for best yet.

Cheers,
Gwyneth