What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[lynn cates]

Take the taste test.

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"She's clearly a lady of very poor taste"

You've tasted her, then? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[curious]

She is? She's clearly a lady of very poor taste, (she's not been in touch with me at all!).

Every good wish

Dave

I don't know. Being used in one too many Jack the Ripper experiments would do that for most women, I suspect.

[Cogidubnus]

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"it has to be said, that. . . Lynn is above all else a gentleman!"

And that is why my wife is divorcing me. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

She is? She's clearly a lady of very poor taste, (she's not been in touch with me at all!).

Every good wish

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Nautical bias

"What would 'hard labor' for a woman have been?"

Likely oakum picking.

Or the treadmill (in extreme cases), knitting stockings for the military or sewing...but yes, since 21st October 1805 I'd guess Oakum picking would be a favourite!

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

gentleman

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"it has to be said, that. . . Lynn is above all else a gentleman!"

And that is why my wife is divorcing me. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

feeling rejected

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

"Trying to get Lynn Cates to tell us what his line of thinking is."

Does this mean I am rejected by the "conspiracy theorists" as well as the "cartel"?

Oh dear, what is a poor centrist to do? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

oakum

Hello CFL.

"What would 'hard labor' for a woman have been?"

Likely oakum picking.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

caution

Hello (again) Trevor. If one got a D & D and a caution for solicitation, would that solicitation be noted at court?

"Police should carefully avoid being drawn into conversation with any prostitute, for unfounded charges and suspicions may easily arise therefrom."

Or a tryst. Ask Ed Watkins.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

warning

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

Something like a warning, then?

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Yes you are right a record is kept of the caution. But it is not recorded as a criminal conviction.

IN Victorian times a caution for soliciting as likely as not would simply be recorded in a register.

If she were arrested for D & D then the caution for soliciting if she ever had one would not be relevant to the disposal of that offence.

If she had already been cautioned then the next time as per victorian laws she would likely as not been sent to prison

From the Police Codes

Vagrancy Act, 1824 every common prostitute wandering in the public streets or public highways, or in any place of public resort, and behaving in a riotous or indecent manner, is deemed an idle and disorderly person, and liable to one month's imprisonment with hard labour.

Metropolitan Police Act, 1839, every common prostitute, or night-walker, loitering, or being in any thoroughfare, or public place, for the purpose of prostitution or solicitation, to the annoyance of the inhabitants or passengers, is liable to a penalty of 40s.

Town Police Clauses Act, 1847, every common prostitute or night-walker loitering and importuning passengers, for the purpose of prostitution, is subject to a similar fine, or fourteen days' imprisonment in default.

Police should carefully avoid being drawn into conversation with any prostitute, for unfounded charges and suspicions may easily arise therefrom. At the same time they should avoid bullying or unduly harassing these unfortunate persons if their conduct is orderly, and be acquainted with the address and way to any houses or shelters of refuge for them.

Sorry Trevor, I'd somehow missed this post...I'm grateful for both your confirmation and the additional information

All the best

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

I laughed out loud at the aptness in this particular case Trevor, but it has to be said, that unlike either you or I, Lynn is above all else a gentleman!

All the best

Dave

[Trevor Marriott]

What would 'hard labor' for a woman have been?

The same as it is for us men here in casebook. Trying to get Lynn Cates to tell us what his line of thinking is

[Cogidubnus]

Something with a U in?

Dave

[C. F. Leon]

Heal Shelden quotes the 13th November 1884 case in his "Victims" book and says Liz got seven days hard labour

Cheers

Dave

What would 'hard labor' for a woman have been?

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor

Yes but this is described as an actual conviction at The Thames Magistrates Court (Thames Police Court?) on 13th November 1884...I know she'd been widowed only the month before, but her husband had clearly been in ill health for a long while before, and if she'd consequently had to resort to soliciting, it's quite possible surely that she'd already had the LVP equivalent of a caution?

Just a thought

Dave

PS - but accepting a caution does actually start off a formal criminal record does it not?

Yes you are right a record is kept of the caution. But it is not recorded as a criminal conviction.

IN Victorian times a caution for soliciting as likely as not would simply be recorded in a register.

If she were arrested for D & D then the caution for soliciting if she ever had one would not be relevant to the disposal of that offence.

If she had already been cautioned then the next time as per victorian laws she would likely as not been sent to prison

From the Police Codes

Vagrancy Act, 1824 every common prostitute wandering in the public streets or public highways, or in any place of public resort, and behaving in a riotous or indecent manner, is deemed an idle and disorderly person, and liable to one month's imprisonment with hard labour.

Metropolitan Police Act, 1839, every common prostitute, or night-walker, loitering, or being in any thoroughfare, or public place, for the purpose of prostitution or solicitation, to the annoyance of the inhabitants or passengers, is liable to a penalty of 40s.

Town Police Clauses Act, 1847, every common prostitute or night-walker loitering and importuning passengers, for the purpose of prostitution, is subject to a similar fine, or fourteen days' imprisonment in default.

Police should carefully avoid being drawn into conversation with any prostitute, for unfounded charges and suspicions may easily arise therefrom. At the same time they should avoid bullying or unduly harassing these unfortunate persons if their conduct is orderly, and be acquainted with the address and way to any houses or shelters of refuge for them.