What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Observer

And just as a little fillip. A poster asked, I forget who, if there were any pointers linking Eddowes and prostitution.

It's not much, and from a newspaper, I know I know, but.

The Morning News 4th Oct 1888

"Nobody, however, heard the faintest indication of a struggle going on. It seems that the particular corner of Mitre-square in which the body of the woman was found has long had an evil reputation.
Said a man whose occupation for many years has thoroughly familiarized him with the locality and all that has gone on in it, "I have often heard the policeman who went this beat regularly for sixteen years say that that was a well-known resort, and from my own knowledge it is so.

And of course we have Levy's observance

"Look there, I don't like going home by myself when I see those characters about,"

Believe that was me who asked. Thanks. And oh that Levy. He has always given me a feeling he was not as forthcoming as he could've been. Has anyone ever located a pic of him?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Maybe just for simplicity's sake

Jail is jail. Ripper or no. Maybe she had a place to be or something to do. Maybe she just wanted to NOT be in jail. If she was sincere about the impending hiding she would receive it is understandable she did not run towards it. She had been quite drunk previously, so some dog hair could have been a reasonable first step in the rest of her evening.

[lynn cates]

the rest of the story

Hello (again) Trevor.

"Nothing there to show she was in a hurry to get out."

Yes. But look at ALL his testimony.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

What Mitre been.

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

A dark part of Mitre sq? Excellent place for a clandestine meeting, eh?

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Pc Hutts testimony

I was directed by Sergeant Byfield to see if any of the prisoners were fit to be discharged. I found the deceased sober, and after she had given her name and address, she was allowed to leave.

The Foreman: Is it left to you to decide when a prisoner is sober enough to be released or not? - Not to me, but to the inspector or acting inspector on duty.

[Coroner] Is it usual to discharge prisoners who have been locked up for being drunk at all hours of the night? - Certainly.

Nothing there to show she was in a hurry to get out.

Hi Mr Marriot

Right. So are you of an opinion that Eddowes was gently shown the door so to speak? It was in fact the police who used their initiative to put Eddowes back on the street. It certainly looks that way.

Regards

Observer

[curious4]

Get out of jail

Hello Trevor,

Got me there I suppose, don't remember reading the bit about the inspector instructing him to check who was fit for release. Does rather weaken my case - providing he wasn't trying to shift the blame for her death on to other shoulders.

Thanks for the excerpt from the police code by the way. Very interesting, I shall put it in a safe place along with the feather duster for future use.

Hello Bridewell,

Yes, your point about clearing the cells for a saturday night had crossed my mind and as my case seems to have been weakened anyway... (weakened, though, not dead yet!)

Hello Lynn,

Many thanks for your kind words. Much more of that and I shall be suffering from hybris!

All good wishes,
C4/Gwyneth

[Bridewell]

My five questions (trying to avoid too much duplication of what has already been posted):

(As we're not allowed to ask the name of the killer) Which of the many candidates so far proposed as the killer were innocent of any involvement in the killings?
Which, if any, witnesses lied in their inquest testimony / statements to police?
What, if any, were the lies?
Which, if any of them, gave an accurate description of the killer?
Why does the Aberconway version of the MacNaghten Memoranda include a reference to the City PC which is not found in the file copy?

[Bridewell]

Hello,

She did rather push to be released, though. It would have made more sense for her to stay where she was until morning. Roof over her head, possibly a cup of tea and slice of bread in the morning. Does look as though she had a rendezvous. Foolish, with a killer around, unless she completely trusted the person she was to meet.

Cheers,
C4

Good point about her not pushing to be released, but I'm sure the police were wise to the ploy. On a Saturday night every effort would have been made to keep as much cell space available as possible.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Observer,

Yes, I suppose you do have a point. Could be.

Hello Trevor,

No, still think that it sounds more as though she wanted out. Perhaps she could get some idea of the time from church clocks striking the hour nearby? In the normal order of things, wouldn't she have been kept there until the morning? Kelly seemed to have thought so.

Best wishes
C4

Pc Hutts testimony

I was directed by Sergeant Byfield to see if any of the prisoners were fit to be discharged. I found the deceased sober, and after she had given her name and address, she was allowed to leave.

The Foreman: Is it left to you to decide when a prisoner is sober enough to be released or not? - Not to me, but to the inspector or acting inspector on duty.

[Coroner] Is it usual to discharge prisoners who have been locked up for being drunk at all hours of the night? - Certainly.

Nothing there to show she was in a hurry to get out.

[Bridewell]

Would she have been willing to sell her honor for a two or three hour doss at four in the morning?

I imagine so. She was very ill - terminally so.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Trevor. How can rule out rendezvous based solely upon time. What of the expression, "I know where to find you"?

Cheers.
LC

Where in the darkest part of Mitre Square ?

[lynn cates]

rendezvous

Hello Trevor. How can rule out rendezvous based solely upon time. What of the expression, "I know where to find you"?

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Out of custody

Hello Observer,

Yes, I suppose you do have a point. Could be.

Hello Trevor,

No, still think that it sounds more as though she wanted out. Perhaps she could get some idea of the time from church clocks striking the hour nearby? In the normal order of things, wouldn't she have been kept there until the morning? Kelly seemed to have thought so.

Best wishes
C4

[lynn cates]

sensible

Hello Gwyneth.

"She did rather push to be released, though. It would have made more sense for her to stay where she was until morning. Roof over her head, possibly a cup of tea and slice of bread in the morning. Does look as though she had a rendezvous."

Precisely. Haven't I warned you before about making sense? Looks like I must teach you how to wave the hand and offer stale platitudes. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

bordellos, etc.

Hello Colin. Thanks.

I see that, you too, have doubts.

Cheers.
LC