A Whip and a Prod

[NotBlamedForNothing]

I agree the heart condition is a critical clue in determining how Liz was killed.
I used a similar quote in another thread, to argue for partial asphyxiation due to the very tight scarf.
It is not a popular idea, as it suggests a multi-man operation, and that is not compatible with the concept of Jack the Ripper.

[Robert St Devil]

On the other hand, if the woman Schwartz sees, is indeed Liz, then I would suggest the very tight scarf is like a noose around her neck.
That would explain the contradiction of screaming - loud by definition - but not very loudly.
I don't buy the idea that (JtR) pulling on the scarf could tighten it at the same time.
Someone has reapplied the scarf so tightly that she can't talk or scream properly, and therefore someone(s) else must have a hold of her, at the time.
Dr Phillips couldn't explain very well how Liz was prevented from making loud noises, prior to the throat slash.
A hand over the mouth while someone quickly applies the "noose" would seem to explain how they kept her quiet enough for long enough.
There are other issues with actually cutting the throat in the location she was found, but that's enough for this post.

The key to determining how Liz Stride was murdered may lay in her heart. It was reported:

the heart was small, the left ventricle firmly contracted, and the right slightly so. There was no clot in the pulmonary artery, but the right ventricle was full of dark clot. The left was firmly contracted as to be absolutely empty.

When I was reading on garrotting, there was a report of a man who was assaulted and murdered by a garrott gang in the early 1890s (well after the garrott scare from decades prior). The coroner found his heart in the same clotted condition, as though the heart had expired from asphyxiation. I'm no expert on the subject of matters of violent deaths, so I am uncertain whether someone who bled out from a neck-cut would have the same clotted conditions found in the heart. Still...

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Enough for a conference?

Hello GUT

[DJA]

That makes five of us

[GUT]

Newcastle

I am just up the road in Maitland.

[DJA]

To show how little others know of the Jewish Religion,most "think" that the person we call Jesus met his end during The Passover.

Fail!

It was obviously Yom Kippur.

Bar Abbas was most likely James the Just.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

No, I'm not HK.

Are you trying to change the subject?

[DJA]

Which countries have the tradition of taking off shoes before you enter a home? - Quora

[DJA]

Might be.

You first.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Shoes off ... of course!

Just like the murderers did during the killing and moving of the body, to prevent any blood getting on their soles.

Are you really a Hari Krishna?

[DJA]

Incidentally,if one swings the link to the other side of the street,the corner units diagonally opposite are where the enormous old mansion that acted as a rooming house for refugee families after WW2 stood. Mostly Jewish.

[DJA]

Meh,one follows the other.It's obvious.

That's why us Hari Krishnas leave our footwear outside the door.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

That's interesting.

My point though, was not so much that the ground could not have been muddy, but that the Dr would surely not have made comments about her muddiness, without also mentioning that she'd been lying in mud, if that were indeed the case.
Remember too, that there's a bit of drainage due to a drop from the street to the yard - think of the direction the blood flows.

Also, I've read that a lot of members often entered & exited through the side door.
Unless they are keeping the lane fairly clean, that's possibly a lot of mud and dirt to be walking inside.

[DJA]

Should read 75% expansion.

[DJA]

2 Kintore Street, Camberwell, Vic 3124 - realestate.com.au

I grew up in the house next to the granite sett stone lane which extended from Canterbury Road to Cookson Street on the old Victorian era Tara Estate.

Soil shrinks and expands due to soil moisture.
Here in the Otway Ranges my house is subject to 17% lineal shrinkage which is 57% of it's cubic capacity,or 43% expansion from dry to wet.


In Camberwell,by late Spring the council used to spray the weeds,some of which were quite tall.
Soil from below the stones had pushed up and been joined by matter from elsewhere.

Trust this might give some insight into where the mud on Stride came from during a very cold and wet lead up to Autumn.

Incidentally,those lanes were designed for horse and carts.