A Whip and a Prod

[Ven]

LOL, yeah I know, his initial point was about dimensions, and I've just tried to show , based on the "carriage" he showed, that he got it all wrong...let's see what develops

[DJA]

Gave a like for post #10,at the time.
Buggered if I know why we are still going over the bleedin' obvious.

[Ven]

Ven,

Might be worth reading this thread from the start.It is the continuation of a previous thread.
Most of these carts were built by Hiller Brothers and hired out to costermongers.Hillers controlled the market.
Some are built differently eg wheel size,etc.

Hi DJA,

not sure what you're getting at here -
1. I have followed this thread from the start. My first comment was Post #10 (which still stands btw)
2. Are you agreeing with me by saying "some carts are built differently"? As I stated... some carts were built to be a push cart (image in Post #1) and some were built to be pulled by a horse/pony (image in Post #601). The body pretty much identical but the hand cart has built in legs and handles and the horse drawn cart has built in poles but no legs.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Indeed. And you can't lead a horse to Dutfields Yard at 1am (ish) and make people think.
No, wait, "you can lead a horse to Berner St, but you can't make it believe in a Jewish Conspiracy"

Or, "If a horse arrives at around 1am, but no one but Fanny Mortimer hears it, did it really fall. Arrive."

"If a policeman's whistle blows in the East End, does it negate estimations of time?"

The philosophy of Jack.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

You can’t crush a conspiracy with reason Dusty.

Indeed. And you can't lead a horse to Dutfields Yard at 1am (ish) and make people think.
No, wait, "you can lead a horse to Berner St, but you can't make it believe in a Jewish Conspiracy"

Or, "If a horse arrives at around 1am, but no one but Fanny Mortimer hears it, did it really fall. Arrive."

"If a policeman's whistle blows in the East End, does it negate estimations of time?"

The philosophy of Jack.

[DJA]

Ven,

Might be worth reading this thread from the start.It is the continuation of a previous thread.
Most of these carts were built by Hiller Brothers and hired out to costermongers.Hillers controlled the market.
Some are built differently eg wheel size,etc.

[Ven]

DJA,

your image shows there are no Handles to make it a hand PUSHED cart... and Post #1 shows no long poles to support a beast but clearly has handles to push the cart... I feel I'm going around in circles... similar carts but built for different purposes... i.e. I have a horse...or...I have to push it myself...

[Ven]

The legs are put in place at market,as they would hamper the animals progress in transit.

Hey DJA,

Your image and the image in Post #1 are basically the same cart, however, Post #1 is built as a hand cart (the legs are part of the construction), and your image is for a horses/pony drawn cart with no inbuilt legs but inbuilt poles for securing to the beast. Not everyone could afford a horse so very similar but built and used differently. And if its a horse drawn cart the driver sat above the wheels (fulcrum) as per your picture. The carts weren't interchangeable.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This thread has been going 18 months and still there hasn't been a shred of evidence to sipport the claims in post #1. Can we now finish with this thread?

You can’t crush a conspiracy with reason Dusty.

[DJA]

provide photos of "carts", with legs, drawn by a pony, from the correct end, and we will continue discussion.

The legs are put in place at market,as they would hamper the animals progress in transit.

[Ven]

provide photos of "carts", with legs, drawn by a pony, from the correct end, and we will continue discussion.

[Ven]

Sipport? Too many cocktails last night!

LOL this cart has no legs (or arms)... so no need to continue!!

[drstrange169]

Sipport? Too many cocktails last night!

[drstrange169]

This thread has been going 18 months and still there hasn't been a shred of evidence to sipport the claims in post #1. Can we now finish with this thread?

[Ven]

It's still a costermonger's barrow. Diemschitz...

[Daily News] I was driving a pony harnessed to a costermonger's barrow.

[Morning Advertiser] I had a barrow, something like a costermonger's, with me. I was sitting in it, and a pony was drawing it. It is a two-wheeled barrow.

These devices can be wheeled around by hand when necessary - hence the name barrow.

This was auctioned as 'A Victorian costermonger's cart or barrow'...



If you don't think these pictures of costermonger barrows are actually costermonger barrows, then please provide a picture of a real costermonger barrow.

THIS IS A HAND CART... cant you tell by the handles and the leg supports!!!!