SlutWalks

[glyn]

Tom,
How do you know that any rapist "felt he was entitled".Maybe the very fact that he WASNT entitled was part of the "turn on".

[babybird67]

ALL - i repeat ALL - rape victims are blameless! The one to blame is the perpetrator, the rapist, not the victim.

Utter tripe!

So what in your view Bob describes a woman who deserves to be raped, and who is responsible for her own rape?

Be careful, you may find your wife/daughter reading this one day.

And as for labelling my posts nonsense...I'd be worried if someone who has expressed views as bigoted, sexist, racist, disrespectful and obnoxious as you have could actually appreciate anything I said....clearly the intellectual and emotional capacity for that is absent.

[glyn]

When it comes to rape they don't. Apparently it is incapable of getting through your and your fellow neanderthals heads that it has been proven that attire has nothing to do with rape! Women are raped while dressed in business suits, women are raped while dressed in freaking burkas. How one is dressed has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether one is targeted for rape. How hard is that for idiots to understand?




No, the analogy would be if a person walks around Brixton wearing nice, expensive clothes that show he isn't a bloody pauper, does he contribute to his being robbed? Should you have to go around wearing cheap, crappy rags so as not to be robbed?

No woman who is raped was first lying naked in the streets with her legs spread and directional arrows painted on her thighs which is your "visible to all" scenario.




So by this analogy, if you don't wear a protective chastity belt, you contribute when I come up and stick a dildo up your ass. It's your fault for not taking proper precautions?

There are no precautions one can take in regards to wardrobe when it comes to rape. Name a single piece of clothing that will prevent a rape.

Ally,

First of all you will have to excuse my clumsy attempts at
replying /quoting.My computer skills leave much to be desired Im afraid.

I guess I could respond to your post by using such phrases as "neanderthal" "dildos up the ass" "Idiot" etc,No doubt I could find use for those or similar phrases while addressing you,but Ill resist the temptation.Anyway,Where were we? Oh yes",Name a single piece of clothing that will prevent a rape" you ask.....not sure that really is the point,but Ill go along with the nonsense....How about a suit of armour,with reinforced concrete cladding over the nether parts?
What you and others are guilty of is seeing the world AS IT SHOULD BE,and not AS IT IS.
"Attire has nothing to do with whether or not a woman is raped" you loudly proclaim.Are you certain?I mean ,how many rapists have you personally interviewed,who have all in turn ,without exception ,told you,under the auspices of a lie detecting gadget that this is so? Or is your statement merely a vehicle to put across a somewhat hysterical viewpoint? Now Im not trying to say that you have no right to your opinion,silly as it may well be,merely that if you refrained from name calling while giving it, you might be better recieved.Its probabley pointless continuing that particular line ,as its clear you wouldnt have a clue what I was talking about.
To a normal person ,a woman dressed as an old slag wouldnt indicate or lead to rape.....to a rapist ,depending on his "instincts" it most likely would,in any sensible persons opinion.
Hope this helps you.

[glyn]

I cannot BELIEVE some of the comments and views being expressed on this thread.

Without exception, women have the right to walk the streets at any time of day and night dressed in whatever they wish WITHOUT being molested. So do men.

Anyone who rapes or sexually assaults another person is entirely responsible for their actions and should be punished.

If you disagree with this view – then consider this scenario. A man I knew some years ago thought that any woman wearing a skirt that was not below knee length was a slut. Most people would not hold the same view. So – does that man then have the right to attack women wearing skirts on or slightly above knee length because he considers they are inviting it for being sluttish? Who is going to decide what is and is not acceptable?

Furthermore, it is disrespectful to men to assume that they cannot control themselves sufficiently when confronted with a woman in a short skirt or low cut top.

IF there are individuals out there who think a bit of flesh on show is an invitation to attack a woman then they should be LOCKED UP.

Of course its no surprise that you turned up.....A bit like Santa Claus at Xmas-He always turns up when the Fairy lights are switched on

[Ally]

No, I am not guilty of seeing the world as it should be instead of as it is.

You are arguing on the premise that women should take precautions so as not to be raped. I agree. They shouldn't leave their drinks unattended, so that no one can slip something in it. That's a precaution that has a real-world application. There is a proven cause and effect there. Leave your drink unattended, someone can slip you something.

There is NO real world application to the idea that what you wear makes you more likely to be raped.

Women have been raped in sweatpants. Women have been raped in burkas. Women have been raped in jeans and a tshirt. Women have been raped in business suits. Women have been raped who are 88 years old and wearing a baggy nasty house coat.

There is absolutely NOTHING that links rape with attire. There is no correlation. There is no significance. There is no cause and effect between attire and rape. None.

It is not me who is viewing the world not how it is. You have an implied prejudice. You see it how you want, despite the facts.

You put up scenarios of "reasonable precautions" people can take to prevent robbery, and yet, you cannot find a comparative in female wardrobe that would prevent someone from raping her. Which makes your entire argument inaccurate, misleading and false.

[Limehouse]

Of course its no surprise that you turned up.....A bit like Santa Claus at Xmas-He always turns up when the Fairy lights are switched on

What a rude little boy you are! Are you old enough to use a computer without supervision?

[glyn]

Don't blame me officer! He thought he could walk down the street with a wallet. It is clearly his own fault I mugged him. Blame him!

Ever heard of the phrase "prevention of crime" i.e locking ones doors,putting oneself and ones property at risk.Its ok ill pause there to allow the message to sink in.......... I didnt say "clearly his own fault" I said "contributing to the LIKELIHOOD of the crime being committed". Theres quite a large difference.But of course,on this thread there seems to be a compulsion to bastardise the written word,or wring any meaning,other than the one intended,out of a sentence.Any moment now I expect myself, and others to be accused of advocating the Rape of any woman not wearing a Burka.

[glyn]

What a rude little boy you are! Are you old enough to use a computer without supervision?

Are you old enough to add something relevant to the discussion?

[Ally]

Ah Glyn. Let's see--avoids the rational argument completely in favor of responding with childish taunts.

I presume that's because he knows he's done and there is no rational basis for what he's trying to argue.

There is no wardrobe equivalent to "locking your doors". He knows it, he just can't admit his error and admit he is wrong.

How...typical.

[Limehouse]

Are you old enough to add something relevant to the discussion?

And your comments about Father Christmas and fairy lights are relevant to a thread about rape because.....?

[glyn]

No, I am not guilty of seeing the world as it should be instead of as it is.

You are arguing on the premise that women should take precautions so as not to be raped. I agree. They shouldn't leave their drinks unattended, so that no one can slip something in it. That's a precaution that has a real-world application. There is a proven cause and effect there. Leave your drink unattended, someone can slip you something.

There is NO real world application to the idea that what you wear makes you more likely to be raped.

Women have been raped in sweatpants. Women have been raped in burkas. Women have been raped in jeans and a tshirt. Women have been raped in business suits. Women have been raped who are 88 years old and wearing a baggy nasty house coat.

There is absolutely NOTHING that links rape with attire. There is no correlation. There is no significance. There is no cause and effect between attire and rape. None.

It is not me who is viewing the world not how it is. You have an implied prejudice. You see it how you want, despite the facts.

You put up scenarios of "reasonable precautions" people can take to prevent robbery, and yet, you cannot find a comparative in female wardrobe that would prevent someone from raping her. Which makes your entire argument inaccurate, misleading and false.

O.k Ally
We at least seem to agree that women should take precautions on avoiding rape,or situations that might possibly present that danger.Well dressing as a slut can hardly be classed as such.
Connections between attire and rape? I ask you again how many rapists have you interviwed?Women of all ages have been raped,wearing all manner of attire,its true.Maybe some rapists prefer women wearing raincoats and galoshes,ive no way of knowing ....and neither have you.
Im merely saying that by dressing as a slut in an environment where a potential rapist might be hovering,then the sluttily dressed women would be more likely to be seen as a poytential victim by the would be rapist'.Note I said more likely,not a dead certainty Theres nothing prejudiced about that.Personally I dont care what fashion dictates a woman should wear,each to his own.
Finding a garment to prevent rape? Would the women who are going out iof their way to dress sluttily ,to make some kind of feminist point wear it even if it was available? Seems to me it would defeat the whole object of the exercise. None of us can be totally protected against most forms of crime,but we can all take steps to lessen the likelihood. Sticking ones boobs in peoples face,or showing ones backside to each and every passer by hardly indicates any desire to protect oneself against the attentions of would be rapists.

[glyn]

And your comments about Father Christmas and fairy lights are relevant to a thread about rape because.....?

No, but they are relevant to your appearance,and in a way just as relevant on this thread, as your query as to whether I Was old enough to use a computer...unsupervised was.

[glyn]

Ah Glyn. Let's see--avoids the rational argument completely in favor of responding with childish taunts.

I presume that's because he knows he's done and there is no rational basis for what he's trying to argue.

There is no wardrobe equivalent to "locking your doors". He knows it, he just can't admit his error and admit he is wrong.

How...typical.

Mr Pot calling Mr Kettle?
I avoided nothing.
You are changing issue from "does dressing sluttily increase the possibilty of rape" to the issue of pleaDIng with me to find a garment that is rape proof ,and then scolding me because I know of no such item.
Thou presumeth too much.

[TomTomKent]

Ever heard of the phrase "prevention of crime" i.e locking ones doors,putting oneself and ones property at risk.Its ok ill pause there to allow the message to sink in.......... I didnt say "clearly his own fault" I said "contributing to the LIKELIHOOD of the crime being committed". Theres quite a large difference.But of course,on this thread there seems to be a compulsion to bastardise the written word,or wring any meaning,other than the one intended,out of a sentence.Any moment now I expect myself, and others to be accused of advocating the Rape of any woman not wearing a Burka.

There is also a difference between attributing blame and advocating.

You want to attribute blame to people for happening to own something that others want to steal and daring to walk down the street with it, but also want to refuse to admit you are attributing blame, because you were not advocating the act. Gosh no, you weren't encouraging it. You were just implying it was the fault of the victim. Entirely different...

[TomTomKent]

No, but they are relevant to your appearance,and in a way just as relevant on this thread, as your query as to whether I Was old enough to use a computer...unsupervised was.

Oh so YOU allowed to make jokes. But I'm not?

Very mature. Perhaps you might want to reconsider youw own pot and kettle reference.