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  • cobalt
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    It would obviously be very interesting for us to see a photograph of Michael Clark but its absence surely tells its own story.
    Given the disquiet that has persisted over Hanratty's conviction then if Mr. Clark resembled James Hanratty his photograph would have been in the public domain for the last 50 years at least. The Establishment would have ensured that happened in order to protect their legal system.

    I would assume there is precious little facial resemblance between Michael Clark and James Hanratty.

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  • gallicrow
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    [QUOTE=Spitfire;n778759]
    Originally posted by gallicrow View Post

    Am I correct in thinking that Gladys Lily died in 2000 and that Michael's dad Herbert William died in 1968?
    Yes for Gladys Lily Falkner / Clark / Keast.

    Not sure about Herbert William Clark. The death in 1968 might be him. Another alternative - according to the 1939 register Herbert was born on the 18th November 1907, and someone called William Herbert Clark with date of birth 18th November 1905 died in Chatham in 1988. This is probably a coincidence, but whoever registered his death might have switched his forenames around and got the year of his birth wrong. Stranger things have happened (that horse becoming Pope, for one...)

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  • moste
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    Originally posted by OneRound View Post

    Hi Spit,

    Obviously, I would be happy to do so. I almost said in my last post that I and probably others here would be more than willing. However, I felt that Sherlock would not trust my delicacy and that it would therefore be wrong to volunteer anyone else.

    I don't actually see the problem here. For my money, Sherlock did most of the diplomatic hard yards in his communication of 29th April 2020 to Sarah reproduced by him above.

    Regards,
    OneRound
    I’m not sure that we should not let it be.

    Sarah has been sent a lengthy explanatory run down on the whole affair ,and from her reply to Sherlock at the end finishes off with the question’Can I ask how Michael fits in with your family’ and ‘If you have any further information about him’, giving us the feeling she’s happy to keep the dialogue open. Yet nothing since Malachy’s correspondence. Could Malachy have received something and not passed it on to Sherlock? a bit confusing.
    Last edited by moste; 01-17-2022, 08:56 PM.

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  • OneRound
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    Originally posted by Spitfire View Post

    OR

    Perhaps you might offer to draft a suitable delicately phrased request. I am sure it would be appreciated by Sherlock H.

    I think that the Sarah in question is the late Michael A F Clark's step-niece and thus 30 years or so younger than he was.
    Hi Spit,

    Obviously, I would be happy to do so. I almost said in my last post that I and probably others here would be more than willing. However, I felt that Sherlock would not trust my delicacy and that it would therefore be wrong to volunteer anyone else.

    I don't actually see the problem here. For my money, Sherlock did most of the diplomatic hard yards in his communication of 29th April 2020 to Sarah reproduced by him above.

    Regards,
    OneRound

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  • Spitfire
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    [QUOTE=gallicrow;n778673]
    Originally posted by moste View Post

    Well in the 1939 register Gladys is called Gladys Clark and living with her husband, Herbert Clark, but by 1942 she seems to be living with Richard Keast in Weymouth as there is a notice in the London Gazette announcing that she intends to take the surname Keast. My guess is that she left her son, Michael Clark, with Herbert. I think Richard had two children born in the 1920s from his marriage, both of whom are now dead. Then he and Gladys had two children, born in the 1940s, one of whom died in 2019. Richard Keast died in 1949.
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    Thanks for that Gallicrow. That explains a lot.

    Am I correct in thinking that Gladys Lily died in 2000 and that Michael's dad Herbert William died in 1968?

    Woff has Michael A F Clark emigrating in 1965 and we now know he died in the UK in 2018 but when did he return? I assume it was sometime after Woff's book was written.

    Footy was unable to discover the identity of the man picked out by Storie in the Alphon ID parade and repeated the rumour that the man was a Spanish sailor.

    One can only assume that Michael Arthur Falkner Clark having been wrongly identified by Valerie Storie wanted no more involvement in the case.

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  • Spitfire
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    Originally posted by OneRound View Post

    Hi again Sherlock - a couple of points:

    1. If you don't ask the step-sister for a photo and/or details of Michael's appearance, there's no way you'll hear anything from her. Obviously the request should be delicately phrased.

    2. The longer you leave it, the more likely it is she will have died.

    Having got this far and well done on that, stop faffing about and instead try to finish the job.

    Regards,
    OneRound
    OR

    Perhaps you might offer to draft a suitable delicately phrased request. I am sure it would be appreciated by Sherlock H.

    I think that the Sarah in question is the late Michael A F Clark's step-niece and thus 30 years or so younger than he was.

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  • OneRound
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    Originally posted by Sherlock Houses View Post

    Such patronising condescension . Why don't you get off your butt and do some research yourself ?
    Sherlock,

    I don't mean to be condescending. I again congratulate you on having successfully explored so far but do wonder if you appreciate the enormity of having come closer than all others, including Foot and Woffinden, to cracking an important feature of this case. It just seems so frustrating not to go on and try to finish the job.

    Regards,
    OneRound



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  • gallicrow
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    [QUOTE=moste;n778655]
    Originally posted by gallicrow View Post
    I believe that Michael was (Nanna) Gladys's son, not her husband.[/
    I can't see her son working, because she alludes to leaving him.
    Well in the 1939 register Gladys is called Gladys Clark and living with her husband, Herbert Clark, but by 1942 she seems to be living with Richard Keast in Weymouth as there is a notice in the London Gazette announcing that she intends to take the surname Keast. My guess is that she left her son, Michael Clark, with Herbert. I think Richard had two children born in the 1920s from his marriage, both of whom are now dead. Then he and Gladys had two children, born in the 1940s, one of whom died in 2019. Richard Keast died in 1949.
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  • moste
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    It may be that Sarah has become embroiled in the A6 murder saga. ( poor lady) given that Malachy gave her more in-depth info.

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  • moste
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    Originally posted by Sherlock Houses View Post

    Such patronising condescension . Why don't you get off your butt and do some research yourself ?
    LOL. Loved it

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  • moste
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    [QUOTE=gallicrow;n778594]
    I believe that Michael was (Nanna) Gladys's son, not her husband.[/
    I can’t see her son working, because she alludes to leaving him.
    Last edited by moste; 01-17-2022, 12:02 AM.

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  • Sherlock Houses
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    Originally posted by OneRound View Post

    Hi again Sherlock - a couple of points:

    1. If you don't ask the step-sister for a photo and/or details of Michael's appearance, there's no way you'll hear anything from her. Obviously the request should be delicately phrased.

    2. The longer you leave it, the more likely it is she will have died.

    Having got this far and well done on that, stop faffing about and instead try to finish the job.

    Regards,
    OneRound
    Such patronising condescension . Why don't you get off your butt and do some research yourself ?

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  • OneRound
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    Originally posted by Sherlock Houses View Post


    No, that's not quite the case Moste. The thing Sarah and I have in common is that we are both subscribers to the Ancestry.co.uk website doing family tree research. Sarah's Nanna, Gladys, was in fact Michael Clark's mother. After Michael passed away in April 2018 the handling of his estate was entrusted to his step-sister. I do have a 2018 address for her which I obtained last year but I don't know whether she is still alive. It's a delicate matter trying to approach a complete stranger by letter in the hope that she might have a photo of her step-brother circa 1961/62 which she would be willing, in one way or another, to share.

    Hi again Sherlock - a couple of points:

    1. If you don't ask the step-sister for a photo and/or details of Michael's appearance, there's no way you'll hear anything from her. Obviously the request should be delicately phrased.

    2. The longer you leave it, the more likely it is she will have died.

    Having got this far and well done on that, stop faffing about and instead try to finish the job.

    Regards,
    OneRound

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  • Sherlock Houses
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    Originally posted by moste View Post
    Interestingly, Sherlock, Sarah seemed to be under the impression that you yourself was somehow related, and following your last communication maybe decided not to continue a connection. Im taking it that the sworn to secrecy inference is with regards to the mystery of Michael and Sarahs Nannas split up ? ( this of course makes Michael probably Sarahs Grandad, or stepgrandad. ) Its a pity that this family was kept in the dark over Michaels existence , otherwise with your success as an investigator we may well have been on a winner here.

    No, that's not quite the case Moste. The thing Sarah and I have in common is that we are both subscribers to the Ancestry.co.uk website doing family tree research. Sarah's Nanna, Gladys, was in fact Michael Clark's mother. After Michael passed away in April 2018 the handling of his estate was entrusted to his step-sister. I do have a 2018 address for her which I obtained last year but I don't know whether she is still alive. It's a delicate matter trying to approach a complete stranger by letter in the hope that she might have a photo of her step-brother circa 1961/62 which she would be willing, in one way or another, to share.


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  • gallicrow
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    Originally posted by moste View Post
    ... this of course makes Michael probably Sarah's Grandad, or stepgrandad.
    I believe that Michael was (Nanna) Gladys's son, not her husband.
    Last edited by gallicrow; 01-16-2022, 05:37 PM. Reason: Removed part which I have since realised is incorrect

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