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  • #61
    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    yes. but i keep going back to if the missing prostitute named Bella actually did turn up? does anyone know if its actually in any of the police records that she was found alive?
    Yes,she did.

    Truth is lost evidence,poor investigation and record keeping,etc makes the case a mess.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

      american soldiers didnt normally bring there wives with them though did they?
      If air force pilots were needed at the Spitfire factory in Birmingham, I can understand their wives being a safe distance away.

      Just an itch.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

        thanks Herlock-are there dates included for these?
        There were 5 local women investigated.
        4 with "Bella" type names.

        That's excluding spies and witches.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by DJA View Post

          Yes,she did.

          Truth is lost evidence,poor investigation and record keeping,etc makes the case a mess.

          Abnormal brain asking dyslexic fictional detective for advice
          lol.
          hey not trying to be a pain, but can you point to, post or give more specifics on the police records saying they found missing prostitiute Bella (MPB) alive?

          evrything in the circs points to a local prostitute as the victim.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by DJA View Post

            If air force pilots were needed at the Spitfire factory in Birmingham, I can understand their wives being a safe distance away.

            Just an itch.
            i meant from america lol

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
              and what came first? the missing prostitute story or the graffiti?
              Not sure of the exact date when the grafitti started showing up...anyone? Only that it was about a year after the body was discovered. But the police report of a missing prostitute named Bella was dated 7 Apr 1944....about a year after the body was discovered. So the two may well be linked.
              If the police did track down that Bella alive, I'm not sure how well publicised that would have been. Rumours are always harder to stop than to start.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                i meant from america lol
                Me two

                Spitfire factory required experienced quality control,planes had to be tested and some were used to defend the place.

                By memory there were 26 of them there.Think that might have been just for testing.

                No,I don't have a list of nationalities

                Just believe me on the prossy named Bella .... please......

                Seriously doubt there was a Bella,just a crank who the cops investigated.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by DJA View Post
                  Her corset would cost ~ 35 quid today.

                  Doubt she was murdered near the tree or was in it initially.

                  Would have stunk like Hell.

                  This lot agree,well it's their idea.

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                  One witness did mention a smell from that area but it looks like she could be pinned down to a time?
                  Regards

                  Herlock




                  “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                  As night descends upon this fabled street:
                  A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                  The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                  Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                  And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                    One witness did mention a smell from that area but it looks like she could be pinned down to a time?
                    the tree was on the hagley estate. it must have stunk for quite some time, and i find it hard to beleive that someone from the estate didnt notice. a groundskeeper, people who lived in the house etc, do we know who was living on the estate at the time?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                      I was just reading about the graffiti. The Forensic Science Lab (South Wales and Monmouthshire) felt that the first three were by the same hand and the chalk was more or less similar. The first three were:

                      HAGLEY WOOD BELLA (photo included)

                      28th March 1944

                      WHO PUT BELLA DOWN THE WYCH ELM - HAGLEY WOOD

                      28th March 1944

                      WHO PUT LUEBELLER IN THE WYCH ELM

                      30th March 1944

                      Then theres the possibility of copycats of course. The next one in the book even mentions Jack The Ripper.

                      12th April 1944

                      Then theres another photo of one:

                      HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA ADDRESS OPPOSITE THE ROSE AND CROWN HASBURY

                      1st August 1944


                      Then on a fence (with photo)

                      ADDRESS WAS OPPOSITE ROSE AND CROWN HASBURY HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA

                      3rd August 1944 - reported but seen at least a fortnight earlier.

                      Then on a railway arch (photo)

                      HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA WAS NO PROSS

                      3rd August 1944 - reported but seen at least a fortnight earlier.

                      On a wall

                      HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA ADDRESS 404 LOWER HASBURY HALESOWEN

                      October ?

                      a family called Allsop had lived there for the last 56 years and no link could be found.

                      The messages continued to Ed to this day. The ones on the Wychbury Obelisk began in 1993


                      )
                      ​​​​​​​Dates added.

                      Regards

                      Herlock




                      “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                      As night descends upon this fabled street:
                      A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                      The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                      Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                      And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                      • #71
                        Abby,

                        Charles Lyttelton,10th Viscount Cobham was at war at from 1940 to at least 1943.

                        That's his house behind the hounds.

                        Incredibly well connected and powerful family.

                        Some, involved in the Gunpowder Plot actually hid on the property ..... hung,drawn and quartered.

                        Two of the candidates to replace Elizabeth 1 ...... Isabella and Arbella.
                        Last edited by DJA; 10-26-2020, 03:43 PM.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                          the tree was on the hagley estate. it must have stunk for quite some time, and i find it hard to beleive that someone from the estate didnt notice. a groundskeeper, people who lived in the house etc, do we know who was living on the estate at the time?
                          Although the exact site isn’t known there were some gypsies camped around 120 yards away in Nimmings Field over Christmas 1942.

                          An unnamed witness reported this to Sergeant Skerrett “a very nasty smell at a point in the bend in the lane 40 to 50 yards above the Birmingham water track (Elan aqueduct) where the skeleton was found.”

                          Although she was sure that this was before the body had been found she couldn’t recall exactly when. She made this statement 5 years later though. 28/09/49.
                          Regards

                          Herlock




                          “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
                          As night descends upon this fabled street:
                          A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
                          The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
                          Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
                          And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                            Dates added.
                            thanks herlock

                            so the graffiti is there about a week before the police report of the missing prostitute. so I assume the grafitti is what prompted the police to search for a missing woman called Bella and found the other prostitute who told them story. it lends credence to the graffiti then IMHO.

                            and then the subsequent graffiti says Bella was no pross. I wonder if the graffitti writer heard about police looking for a missing prostitute and wrote that.

                            i still would like to see the police statement/report etc that they found the MPB.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by DJA View Post
                              Abby,

                              Charles Lyttelton,10th Viscount Cobham was at war at from 1940 to at least 1943.

                              That's his house behind the hounds.

                              Incredibly well connected and powerful family.

                              Some, involved in the Gunpowder Plot actually hid on the property ..... hung,drawn and quartered.

                              Two of the candidates to replace Elizabeth 1 ...... Isabella and Arbella.
                              thanks DJA
                              someone must have occupied that house/estate when he was gone-do we know who was there around 40-42 time frame?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                                Although the exact site isn’t known there were some gypsies camped around 120 yards away in Nimmings Field over Christmas 1942.

                                An unnamed witness reported this to Sergeant Skerrett “a very nasty smell at a point in the bend in the lane 40 to 50 yards above the Birmingham water track (Elan aqueduct) where the skeleton was found.”

                                Although she was sure that this was before the body had been found she couldn’t recall exactly when. She made this statement 5 years later though. 28/09/49.
                                gypsies huh? interesting. Bella sounds like a gypsy name lol

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