Madeleine McCann

[Sunny Delight]

exactly-your daughter is missing and your deleting calls? what the eff for? classic guilty behavior.

Give me a scenario where they had to use their phone to call someone and then felt obliged to hide this?

[Sunny Delight]

nothing compared to what their poor daughter went through.

and how do you know they have any guilt? You call the posting of the video of the father pathetic and we dont know the context, blah blah blah and yet you are going to cry about the guilt they feel like thats some fact? you have no idea if they have any guilt at all.
And as far as we know they are directly responsible-they could have sold her, killed her, accidently killed her. At the very least they are indirectly responsible and guilty of child neglect.

I seriously hope they do have "guilt they have to live with everyday". im not so sure. I have no sympathy for them at all-only for their poor child.

They have spoken of the guilt they feel- particularly Kate. It is entirely your choice whether you have sympathy for them or not- I don't think they would particularly care that I do and you don't. They were indirectly responsible yes because they left their children alone. However the fault lies with the perpetrator. He was the one who committed the crime. Not completely comparable but like women who are sexually assaulted and they are asked why they were walking home alone? Or what they were wearing? The Perpetrator is the one responsible ultimately.

[Abby Normal]

I remember something about that. But that is just a starting point. Who were they calling? Their accomplice who had snatched their daughter? A friend so they could hide the body? You can look at it and think that's suspicious but the crucial thing is what would they seek to hide? Why call someone 9-10 times? If we are to believe they were involved in killing Madeleine accidentally who is Kate phoning. It wasnt Gerry as his phone didn't ping the masts. Gerry rang Kate a couple of times- probably to update on the search. So who did they call- and why?

exactly-your daughter is missing and your deleting calls? what the eff for? classic guilty behavior.

[Abby Normal]

They have to live with that choice. Forever. Imagine waking up everyday knowing what you did presented an opportunity for a predator to take your daughter never to be found. And you have two other kids to bring up. Some people may never have any sympathy for them and maybe they don't deserve any but my god nothing anyone can say or judge them about could even touch the sides of the guilt they have to live with.

nothing compared to what their poor daughter went through.

and how do you know they have any guilt? You call the posting of the video of the father pathetic and we dont know the context, blah blah blah and yet you are going to cry about the guilt they feel like thats some fact? you have no idea if they have any guilt at all.
And as far as we know they are directly responsible-they could have sold her, killed her, accidently killed her. At the very least they are indirectly responsible and guilty of child neglect.

I seriously hope they do have "guilt they have to live with everyday". im not so sure. but I have no sympathy for them at all-only for their poor child.

[Sunny Delight]

Its a very strange reaction from Mr Mccann.

How so? We don't know the context do we? It proves nothing. In fact it is rather pathetic.

[Sunny Delight]

Here is a video of Gerry McCann taken a few days after the disappearance of his daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlS-gO5Ask

That is quite pathetic really. For all we know he could be speaking about his daughter and telling a funny story about her to try and lift spirits. It proves literally nothing. You would have to do a fair bit better than that.

[Paddy]

Its a very strange reaction from Mr Mccann.

[gallicrow]

... but my god nothing anyone can say or judge them about could even touch the sides of the guilt they have to live with.

Here is a video of Gerry McCann taken a few days after the disappearance of his daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlS-gO5Ask

[Sunny Delight]

Didnt the mother or father delete some calls ? Were they not found?

I remember something about that. But that is just a starting point. Who were they calling? Their accomplice who had snatched their daughter? A friend so they could hide the body? You can look at it and think that's suspicious but the crucial thing is what would they seek to hide? Why call someone 9-10 times? If we are to believe they were involved in killing Madeleine accidentally who is Kate phoning. It wasnt Gerry as his phone didn't ping the masts. Gerry rang Kate a couple of times- probably to update on the search. So who did they call- and why?

[Sunny Delight]

The point is had the McCann's not left there daughter unattended she wouldn't be missing. It does not matter if all there friends did leave there children unattended. Fair point about it occuring in Portugal.

They have to live with that choice. Forever. Imagine waking up everyday knowing what you did presented an opportunity for a predator to take your daughter never to be found. And you have two other kids to bring up. Some people may never have any sympathy for them and maybe they don't deserve any but my god nothing anyone can say or judge them about could even touch the sides of the guilt they have to live with.

[John Wheat]

That is a different question. Does that make them involved in their daughters disappearance? Obviously not. Were they guilty of neglect? Absolutely as were all their friends. Don't forget the whole party did it. But then it would be impossible to prosecute them for that under British law when it occurred in Portugal. The law is complicated.

The point is had the McCann's not left there daughter unattended she wouldn't be missing. It does not matter if all there friends did leave there children unattended. Fair point about it occuring in Portugal.

[Paddy]

Didnt the mother or father delete some calls ? Were they not found?

[Sunny Delight]

It would be interesting to know how Breukner first came to the attention of the police-was it by the confession to the "friend"? If so, need to know who it is and the circs around the "confession"--is it a jail house snitch type scenario?

any way this loser does look like a good suspect-apparently he has previous sexual assaults at that resort and is a pedophile. and was there at the time.

Hopefully they can match DNA-Im assuming they have DNA from the crime scene? Does anyone know?

The Germans did a sift through phone numbers used in the vicinity of the Ocean Club on the night and then attempted to discern if the numbers were linked to anyone who had a criminal record. This flagged up Breuckner. There is no DNA from the crime scene as the Portuguese Police failed to secure the scene in the initial golden hour in particular. In saying that the focus was finding Madeleine so the initial Police actions were very inadequate in regards scene preservation.

[Sunny Delight]

You mean other than leaving Maddie alone for hours?

That is a different question. Does that make them involved in their daughters disappearance? Obviously not. Were they guilty of neglect? Absolutely as were all their friends. Don't forget the whole party did it. But then it would be impossible to prosecute them for that under British law when it occurred in Portugal. The law is complicated.

[John Wheat]

that they werent charged and convicted of child neglect (at least)was the second tragedy in this case. what a couple of complete and utter self centered psychopaths.

I agree Abby and I think had they been working class rather then middle class they would have been charged and convicted of child neglect.