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In case you missed it, Christian Brueckner was acquitted in his rape/sexual abuse trial last month.
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Brueckner is back in the news. There's a new witness in his 2004 rape case who claims to have seen Brueckner leaving the area while removing a mask. I don't know how much weight to give this after all these years, but the German police apparently find the witness credible.
There is a photograph in Spain's Olive Press, showing the window he entered in this 2004 case, and it is similar in some ways to the one we see at the McCann's hotel--ie., in plain view of a backstreet/parking lot. It's higher off the ground, but strange to say, the builder made the odd choice of positioning the housing of a water shutoff valve directly under the window.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
keep your diary nonsense out of it. off topic.
If you can't see the relevance of the parallel when it comes to the Barretts, who have similarly not had a single whistleblower in thirty years from anyone who actually knew them, that's your prerogative.
Back to Madeleine...
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Caz
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Originally posted by cobalt View PostIt's correct that a GP from England offered up himself as possibly the person seen by Jane Tanner. (She described him as not the usual sort of tourist, whatever that meant.) The PJ were aware of that claim and are now being criticised a) for not following up the information with enough zeal and b) for searching around fruitlessly for a man who had already presented himself to them.
I have no more inside information than anyone else on this site, but I doubt the PJ placed much reliability on the Tanner sighting. The fact that the GP thought it might be him, but was not certain, indicates that her description and location of him was at odds with what he recalled. If the PJ dismissed it as not germane to the inquiry then it appears they reached the correct decision.
The PJ from the beginning doubted the Tanner sighting. Then once they became convinced the McCanns had done it they felt it was a conspiracy and the Tanner sighting part of the whole charade. They had tunnel vision and discounted everything that didn't help their own theory.
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It's correct that a GP from England offered up himself as possibly the person seen by Jane Tanner. (She described him as not the usual sort of tourist, whatever that meant.) The PJ were aware of that claim and are now being criticised a) for not following up the information with enough zeal and b) for searching around fruitlessly for a man who had already presented himself to them.
I have no more inside information than anyone else on this site, but I doubt the PJ placed much reliability on the Tanner sighting. The fact that the GP thought it might be him, but was not certain, indicates that her description and location of him was at odds with what he recalled. If the PJ dismissed it as not germane to the inquiry then it appears they reached the correct decision.
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Originally posted by cobalt View PostSo far as shutters are concerned, I will rely on what the PJ established had happened in regard to these particular shutters; not what might have been possible with another set of shutters in a video.
There was more than a scintilla of evidence gathered in respect of the McCanns. None of it was sufficient to bring charges against them, so they remain innocent.
The person in the Jane Tanner sighting must have been one of the few people in the western world who was not aware of the high profile case of missing Madeleine McCann. That is if he ever actually did carry his daughter from a creche down the street.
No there was no real evidence against the McCanns. Cavidar is not evidence. The DNA was not evidence. They had absolutely nothing on them whatsoever.
The person in the Jane Tanner sighting passed a questionnaire to the Leicestershire Police detailing their movements in 2008. The PJ didn't follow it up because by then they had convinced themselves the McCanns had done it.
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So far as shutters are concerned, I will rely on what the PJ established had happened in regard to these particular shutters; not what might have been possible with another set of shutters in a video.
There was more than a scintilla of evidence gathered in respect of the McCanns. None of it was sufficient to bring charges against them, so they remain innocent.
The person in the Jane Tanner sighting must have been one of the few people in the western world who was not aware of the high profile case of missing Madeleine McCann. That is if he ever actually did carry his daughter from a creche down the street.
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Originally posted by cobalt View Post''Despite everything being presented to you in regards the window and the fact it did open from outside you appear totally resistant to it. That is your perogative. No point going over old ground,'
Old ground? are you serious? Even the McCanns abandoned the window theory once it was exposed as nonsense. The window did not open from the outside anymore than the sun revolves around the earth. The window was discounted as a means of entry from day one, hence the unlocked door backup from the Tapas group. Please keep up. Whether the window was capable of being 'jemmied' or the like without leaving evidence was irrelevant in this particular case since no forensic evidence was found to support this theory. It was a dead end which led to an uncomfortable line of enquiry.
Which takes us back to the most likely line of enquiry when a child goes missing: the parents themselves. No fairy stories about phantom abductors; no fairy stories about paedophiles or a girl who waked and wandered; just the obvious.
Parents will always be prime suspects and Police procedure in that instance is to investigate them first. Everyone knows that. Not one scintilla of evidence was ever produced to suspect the McCanns. With hindsight it was clearly an overworked Police force under extreme pressure fixating on the parents when all other avenues had seemingly been exhausted. There was no thought that the PJ themselves had made a complete mess of the investigation. Such a mess in fact that they claimed DNA that didn't exist and lied to journalists about the nature of their evidence against the McCanns. For goodness sake they didn't even identify the man seen by Jane Tanner when all they had to do was fully investigate everyone whose child had been at the night creche that night, meaning of course for 5 years the man seen by Tanner was the prime suspect.
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Originally posted by cobalt View PostOld ground? are you serious? Even the McCanns abandoned the window theory once it was exposed as nonsense. The window did not open from the outside anymore than the sun revolves around the earth. The window was discounted as a means of entry from day one, hence the unlocked door backup from the Tapas group. Please keep up. Whether the window was capable of being 'jemmied' or the like without leaving evidence was irrelevant in this particular case since no forensic evidence was found to support this theory. It was a dead end which led to an uncomfortable line of enquiry.
Which takes us back to the most likely line of enquiry when a child goes missing: the parents themselves. No fairy stories about phantom abductors; no fairy stories about paedophiles or a girl who waked and wandered; just the obvious.
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Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post
It is obvious that the parents had no opportunity to conceal and dispose of the body.
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Originally posted by cobalt View Post''Despite everything being presented to you in regards the window and the fact it did open from outside you appear totally resistant to it. That is your perogative. No point going over old ground,'
Old ground? are you serious? Even the McCanns abandoned the window theory once it was exposed as nonsense. The window did not open from the outside anymore than the sun revolves around the earth. The window was discounted as a means of entry from day one, hence the unlocked door backup from the Tapas group. Please keep up. Whether the window was capable of being 'jemmied' or the like without leaving evidence was irrelevant in this particular case since no forensic evidence was found to support this theory. It was a dead end which led to an uncomfortable line of enquiry.
Which takes us back to the most likely line of enquiry when a child goes missing: the parents themselves. No fairy stories about phantom abductors; no fairy stories about paedophiles or a girl who waked and wandered; just the obvious.
It is obvious that the parents had no opportunity to conceal and dispose of the body.
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''Despite everything being presented to you in regards the window and the fact it did open from outside you appear totally resistant to it. That is your perogative. No point going over old ground,'
Old ground? are you serious? Even the McCanns abandoned the window theory once it was exposed as nonsense. The window did not open from the outside anymore than the sun revolves around the earth. The window was discounted as a means of entry from day one, hence the unlocked door backup from the Tapas group. Please keep up. Whether the window was capable of being 'jemmied' or the like without leaving evidence was irrelevant in this particular case since no forensic evidence was found to support this theory. It was a dead end which led to an uncomfortable line of enquiry.
Which takes us back to the most likely line of enquiry when a child goes missing: the parents themselves. No fairy stories about phantom abductors; no fairy stories about paedophiles or a girl who waked and wandered; just the obvious.
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Originally posted by cobalt View Post'it's hardly anything untoward that someone invited their mum on holidays.'
In UK culture I would say it was unusual to do so. No other couple apart from the Paynes invited a parent to accompany them.
'Again this is a point that is totally illogical suggesting all the children in one room.'
It makes sense if the adults were organising their holiday around a drinking session at the Tapas bar every evening. The Paynes' apartment was bigger than the others.
'That's certainly a new one. Madeleine died at the hands of one of their friends.'
She may have died when in the company of an adult but I certainly never suggested that she died 'at their hands.'
'Surely the most obvious scenario here is the one Kate described. Madeleine was missing from the apartment when she went to check at 10pm. The window and shutter was open and she ran back to the Tapas bar in a full blown panic screaming her daughter had been taken. Why is that so difficult to believe.'
Because neither the window nor the shutter were open when the police arrived. It was impossible to open the shutter from outside and illogical for any intruder to do so from inside. The bed Madeleine McCann normally slept in did not seem to have been slept in, and the first police to arrive suspected that the scene had been staged. The only forensic evidence that could be retrieved showed that no one had entered or exited through the window, therefore the PJ reached the conclusion that an attempt had been made to mislead them.
No it makes zero sense. It is illogical and I don't recall anyone, anywhere even suggesting it as a possibility before so far out is it. I suppose the McCanns lifted the twins from the Paynes at 10pm to stage the scene only to transfer them back a few hours later during the commotion.
Ok thanks for clarifying. So what did this person do when confronted with the fact that Madeleine was dead? Because they faced the same issues that the McCanns would have faced if they had done it. Almost impossible to overcome.
Despite everything being presented to you in regards the window and the fact it did open from outside you appear totally resistant to it. That is your perogative. No point going over old ground.
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