When Flying Saucers Attack!

[Celesta]

Dougie,

I hope you are right that solutions will be found, but science can only do so much.

Cel

[Mayerling]

Hi Vila,

Fascinating about Tunguska. I like the thought that Nicola Tesla got involved, but which was the Polar expedition that was to be blamed: Commodore Robert Peary's (which was in Greenland) or that of his rival Dr. Frederick Cook (also in Greenland)?

As for the lack of adequate anti-aircraft guns, that is true for 1908. The truth of this is from the two disarmament discussions at the First and Second Hague Conferences in 1899 and 1907. The first one had only agreed on one point - no dropping of deadly weapons from baloons (the only aerial device in existance in 1899). In 1907 they had zeppelins and early Wright airplanes. The powers decided to undue the one disarmament achievement of the first conference because now they were uncertain about future developements in aviation. They agreed to discuss the matter in more depth at the next conference, which was to be held in 1915.

Best wishes,

Jeff

[Vila]

Hi Vila,

Fascinating about Tunguska. I like the thought that Nicola Tesla got involved, but which was the Polar expedition that was to be blamed: Commodore Robert Peary's (which was in Greenland) or that of his rival Dr. Frederick Cook (also in Greenland)?

Jeff

I believe that it was Peary's expedition, as Peary wound up with the best press reports. Since the conspiracy theories arise only *after* the fact, the theorists usually "cherry pick" the data that best matches their desired conclusions.

For instance: proponents of the "Microscopic Black Hole" theory usually overlook the fact that there was no second exposion of the opposite side of the globe, where the Black Hole would have exited and continued on it's merry way. Proponents of the "Anti-matter meteor" theory tend to ignore the fact that we've not been able to locate any anti-matter outside of radioactive decay and particle accelerators. Arthur C. Clarke liked the anti-mater theory, but only because he felt that it was "more exciting to consider" and would have been the best choice for a work of fiction, were he the one writing the story.

As it is, I myself get really nervous every June 30th. But then, I believe in comets and asteroids and meteorites. Doesn't keep me from going outside and watching meteor showers, though.



Vila

[Mike Covell]

Had a fantastic investigation last night. Will post a link to the report shortly, very active!!

[Mayerling]

Hi Mike,

I have been writing comments on shipwrecks on the new thread, and talk turned to the loss (in 1909) of the R.M.S. Waratah, off the coast of South Africa - nobody knows where, or exactly how (no survivors). But I recalled a story which you might have heard of.

One of the passengers who boarded Waratah in Australia had a nightmare for three days running. In it he saw a horrible looking colossus figure arise out of the sea with a blood stained sword. The figure than yelled the name of the ship.

After the third day of this recurring nightmare, the passenger decided he had enough. He disembarked at Durban, and telegraphed he'd be late arriving in London. He then took a train to Cape Town, and from there he took a ship
to England. When he arrived he learned that nobody knew about the fate of the Waratah. The gentleman was one of the few who actually survived that last voyage of the ship.

I can look up more details if you are interested.

Jeff

[Mike Covell]

Sounds intresting, an early premonition.

What was the name of the American Civil War ship that sunk off the East Coast of England near Flamborough?

There was something in the local news recently about it.

[Mayerling]

Hi Mike,

Probably the C.S.S. Alabama, commanded by Captain Raphael Semmes, sunk in a battle off Cherbourg, France in June 1864 (the only American Civil War battle fought in Europe). It was sunk by the U.S.S. Kearsage, commanded by Captain John Winslow. Alabama was a commerce raider - probably the most deadly and successful one in American Naval History. It's new crew was not fully trained to face the Union navy personnel on Kearsage, although in the initial stages of the battle the Alabama managed to send a cannon ball crashing into the bowsprit of the Kearsage. The battle had repercussions in France as well as the U.S. Emperor Napoleon III of France favored a Confederate victory, as a weakened U.S. would not be able to interfere with his imperial ambitions in the Western Hemisphere (he was currently setting up Emperor Maximillian in Mexico). But the sinking was made into the subject of an oil painting by Eduard Manet that many anti-Bonapartists applauded. Manet would also subsequently do a painting of the execution of Emperor Maximilian by a Juarista firing squad.

On the other hand Flamborough Head is actually off the coast of Scotland. it was the site of an earlier historical naval battle, in 1779, between Captain John Paul Jones of the Bon Homme Richard and Captain Sir Richard Pearson of H.M.S. Serapis. Jones won the battle, saying the immortal comment, "I have not yet begun to fight!" when Pearson demanded his surrender. But the Richard was sunk at the end of the battle. It has been the subject of many sea searches in the past twenty years. Maybe that was the subject of the news items.

Best wishes,

Jeff

[Mike Covell]

Hi Jeff, Thanks.

Flamborough Head is off the Yorkshire Coast in England, Ripperologists will know it as the location of Robert D'Onston Stephenson's shooting.

[Ron Beckett]

Tunguska,Tesla and 1908.

The articles that I referred to were written by Dr Valery Uvarov and published in Nexus magazine in 2007 over three different issues. Mike Covell seems to be the only respondent who has read them,thanks for being brave enough to own up to reading Nexus Mike. The main thrust of the articles was that it was not local humans who were responsible for the defence system that stopped a meteorite/asteroid from impacting the planet. That's why I thought that it belonged in When Flying Saucers attack. Mike was polite enough to say that he enjoyed the articles,which is not the same as saying he agreed with their conclusions. However the article posits the idea that animals had steered clear of the area and gives many eye witness accounts of the different directions that the plasma balls took before joining up and blasting the hell out of whatever. Dr Uvarov seems to think that this is an ancient protection device placed there ages ago by aliens who are way ahead of us. I know this seems too weird to be true but the article had diagrams of these semi-circular domes that were supposedly still visible and the eye witness accounts were quite believable. Anyway Dr Uvarov has written another article about a planet that is in an orbit directly behind the sun. He is the head of the Dept. of UFO Research, Palaeosciences and Palaeotechnology of the National Security Academy of Russia. His articles were published in Nexus Vol 11/01, 12/01-12/03 in2003 and 2005. An interview is in vol 10/04 in 2003. The article is in the current edition of Nexus Vol 15/05 Aug-Sept 2008. There are contact addresses at the end of the article. It all may seem 'out there', but for the doubters I would recommend the Book on The Velikovsky Affair by Alfred De Grazia. They thought Velikovsky was a charlatan until the first probes to Venus validated his main points. Uvarov's new book is going to be called "The Pyramids'.

[Mike Covell]

I have read Nexus for many years, there is nothing wrong with it. All the articles are well written, referenced and well presented.
I also read Fortean Times, which ran a Tesla special not too long ago.
I used to read UFO Magazine, but it sadly stopped when one of the brothers who produced it passed away!
They also made Unopened Files, which was a magazine for conspiracies and the like.
I used to collect Sightings magazine, Paranormal Magazine, Beyond Magazine and several by the Orbis Company that come out monthly by mail order.

[Celesta]

So did anybody see the Georgia sasquatch? Not much was said about it.

[sdreid]

Hi Cel,

I haven't seen a full photo and I'm expecting not to get too excited about it.

[Mike Covell]

Here's Johnny!!

http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com/

Ok maybe not, but he is big, has feet and it looks hairy!

So this year we have had footage of an alleged alien, Bigfoot has being caught, Nessie must be getting worried!

[Celesta]

The story here is that the DNA was possum DNA, with, I think, a little human DNA thrown in there.

[Mike Covell]

Bigfootin is hard work, perhaps it ate a possum before it died! Perhaps it ate the possum and got food poisoning and died, perhaps it's a cross between a monkey and a possum!

A "Mossum?" or a "Ponkey?"