JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

So..

President Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1pm

Airforce One took off, carrying Kennedy’s body, at 2.47

The decision about where Kennedy’s autopsy would take place occurred on that flight with Bethesda being selected by Jackie Kennedy from a choice of three.

The autopsy began at about 8 p.m

So let’s estimate that the decision was made by 3.30 on board Airforce One. (It may well have been later)


So our plotters had 4˝ hours to find 2 corrupt medical men willing to take part in the biggest cover-up in the nation’s history. One of those men called up another medical man who was also willing to take part in this massive cover-up. Kennedy’s Staff, other corrupt officials, corrupt Nurses, corrupt Porters, corrupt Technicians, corrupt photographers, corrupt x-Ray operatives. All briefed about the plan and sworn to never reveal anything and with those in charge totally confident that no leaks could occur. And all of this in around 4˝ hours?


I’m sorry chaps but all that I can say is…get real. This is fantasy Island stuff. Didn’t happen. Couldn’t possibly have happened.

[Patrick Differ]

Well explained cobalt, its a pity this simple fact is lost on some . Its not rocket science.

1 There was a conspiracy to kill jfk . Which was 2. Then covered up .

At a guess 98% of 2 had nothing to do with or prior knowledge of 1.

The bullet that hit Kennedys back and exited the throat were both round holes. However, Humes never traced the bullet which earlier that day the Parkland Doctors said was an entrance wound to the throat. Im sorry but you do not make that kind of error in judgement in the highest murder case in the World.

The other problem with the throat wound is that Humes based his Report on sketches he was given and not autopsy photos or xrays. In addition, the sketches originally done on autopsy forms show a misalignment on the back entrance to supposed throat exit on both the vertical and horizontal axis. The sketch given Humes shows a side view only on an almost horizontal trajectory. Its basically a fake sketch.

I dont know how you reconcile some of this but the single bullet theory alone has never been proven. The fact that bone was hit makes it highly improbable.

I would like to see an actual test using bone as this test has never been done. It has been proven that a marksman could fire the Carcano in 8 seconds but thats if the gun didnt jam.

There are still too many questions on the chain of custody of the evidence. Humes is given a sketch and doesnt trace the entrance wound? The fails the smell test.

[cobalt]

I don't think the word 'corrupt' is accurate in relation to the doctors at Bathesda. They were all subject to military authority and had sworn loyalty to that organisation. In simple English, they were trained to follow orders. Anything less would have seen them viewed, probably by themselves, as unpatriotic. No one ever accused Earl Warren of being unpatriotic but that concept was used effectively by President Johnson to shape the subsequent inquiry. What all these men did was, in their eyes, for the greater good of America.

HS doubts the capacity of a government to enforce and then retain secrets at this level. I think history suggests otherwise. What we now refer to as 'The Holocaust' required at least 20,000 employees to be directly engaged in the systematic extermination of Nazi captives, the majority of them Jewish. As Himmler remarked, this 'heroic' work could never be made public and of course it never was within the Reich itself. After about 3 years and close to 2 million killed in specially constructed death camps there was no official recognition of what was taking place. The Final Solution was widely suspected, rumoured, even joked about but even in non Nazi areas it was initially assumed to be propaganda or maybe what we now call a conspiracy theory. Well it was indeed a conspiracy and it was eventually proved to be such after, but only after, the Nazi regime was smashed by the Red Army in Berlin. Had the Nazis retained some power, we would know much less since the Germans would have controlled the subsequent narrative which to some extent they, and their historians, have managed to do.

Had Himmler's feverish dream of striking a peace deal with the allies in order to attack the USSR borne fruit, then there would have been little desire to find skeletons in the former Nazi closet. That's why Himmler ploughed over many of the death camps. Of course you cannot hide so many deaths any more than you can hide the death of JFK; but what you can control, if holding on to power, is the surrounding narrative. That requires loyalty from those who know the ugly truth, and acquiescence from those who prefer not to know the ugly truth.

[scottnapa]

One of my main questions in terms of conspiracy Scott is why would the conspirators go to all of the complex trouble of setting up a corrupt autopsy to give fake findings (involving highly respected doctors apparently willing to betray they’re country, involving fake photos, involving fake x-rays and with not one single person breaking ranks and spilling the beans over he years) when they would have known full well that the body would have been taken first to Parkland with the obvious chance of ambulance men, porters, nurses and doctors seeing the ‘true’ wounds? It makes no sense at all. As I’ve described it in the past, it’s like a bank robber leaving the bank with his bag of cash, running past cctv cameras and members of the public before jumping into the getaway car and only then putting on a mask.

why would the conspirators go to all of the complex trouble of setting up a corrupt autopsy to give fake findings...?
It makes no sense at all.

This is true statement. You present a clearly a false paradigm of events.
I would submit in response to the “…not one person spilling the beans” there was a gag order. From the HSCA lettter:
We would like the appropriate official to rescind the order of
silence issued to personnel present at the autopsy of President John F.
Kennedy and to notify the personnel accordingly. The memorandum on this
matter from Admiral Horgan to the Surgeon General is attached.
The Select Committee would like any information you have
pertaining to an order, including the order itself, that was given to
Commander James J. Humes on or about November 22, 1963, pertaining to
the nature of the autopsy to be performed on President Kennedy.
(I don’t think the conspirators knew there would be a HSCA, a Church Committee, an AARB. But they would know about military orders of silence.)
The Parkland vs Bethesda question is interesting. It seems to me that If Bill Harvey or David Morales or Edward Lansdale had a multi-shooter situation plan in Dallas, that planning would have multiple patsies. If the event of a Parkland autopsy, two shooters would be found. The JFK conspiracy need not include a cast of thousands. It does need a conspirator at certain switch points; the person who calls Air Force One from the White House Situation room would be one such key position. The primary focus of this plot is a successful assassination. No one would call the Bethesda autopsy a successful autopsy.

The plot was never going to go perfectly, fall back contingencies are in place.
Since the “plan did not go as planned” is something that always happens, a coup has plans for when things do go sideways. For example, what part of Ruby assassinating Oswald in the jail surrounded by Dallas policemen could be planned in March of 1963? None. Killing Oswald would likely be planned. Maybe Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald.

In an earlier post I presented the fact that the FBI had inserted the words “a doctor admitted that it was possible there was only one wound.” into Connie Kritzberg’s story published in the 11/23/1963 Dallas Times Herald.
FIVER corrected pointed out that this “makes no sense” as it serves little purpose.
He is correct, within his paradigm, and wrong be cause of his paradigm. This aggressive act from the FBI accomplishes very little from a 2025 piont of view. Clearly, the FBI response was a knee jerk reaction rather than a planned conspiracy component, This is a FBI power move, a poitical response to to control the perception of the published story. Very similar knee jerk issue with the FBI Minox Camera fiasco. Oswald can not own a James Bond spy document camera. Oswald owns a James Bond spy document camera light meter. (as one does)
The problem begins with the questions we choose.
If the Warren Commission only asks an ‘Oswald question’ the answer is sorted as evidence into a lone nut file. Imagine a reader picks up his first JFK assassination book, he likely begins his journey with the question is Oswald guilty or innocent. This is the Warren Commission question. After a few books, a good reader will realize the better question should be “What Happened?” because the larger issue is political; if this is a coup, are we a democracy?

Thousands of facts have come to my attention that didn't make sense with my point of view.
It is necessary to rethink the paradigm of the assassination to include new information.

Consider these four events; Shooting at Walker, OSWALD a FPCC protestor in Montreal, Attempted outgoing phone call from Dallas Jail
and CIA defector questions

1. The attempt to kill General Walker. Warren Commission quote, witness Walter Kirk Coleman “in a neighboring house claimed immediately after the shooting he saw two men in separate cars drive out of a church parking lot adjacent to Walker's home. A friend of Walker's testified that two nights before the shooting, he saw "two men around the house, picking in the windows. The Warren Commission would like to use the Walker assassination attempt as proof that Oswald was a politically motivated killer. Coleman was able to give detailed descriptions of the men and their cars. Coleman was shown photographs of Oswald. He denied that Oswald resembled either of the men he had seen. Now multiple problems, Oswald could not drive. The witness saw two individual cars and two individual men. So the shooting was a conspiracy to kill Walker. The bullet did not match as Dallas police identified the bullet as 30.06 calibre. Oswald confessed to his wife and left a note. Ok. But problems with the note as HSCA handwriting experts doubted its authenticity. What evidence do we embrace and what evidence do we ignore? If Oswald was there with others, does that mean this event is a trial run"? In this debate we engage in when we discuss the JFK assassination, commonly selective evidence is presented in an imaginary prosecution vs defense format. Cherry picking. The attempt on Walker’s life may have no relationship the JFK murder. Because we seek to prove Oswald innocent or guilty, any resolution of the Walker incident calls for us to interpret, exagerate and ignore inconvient evidence. As always the best question is what happened.

2. This interesting letter sent to the Secret Service that I only became aware of this year. A Canadian customs official, Jean Paul Tremblay, who was focusing on an Cuban case, saw Lee Oswald on the streets of Montreal in August 1963 and he stated he could identify the others with Oswald. This information was ignored by the Warren Commission and will be sorted into the some rumor that doesnt matter bin by advocates of the Warren Commision. On the other hand, if one considers the Tilton/Anderson memo, where the CIA offers to discredit the FPCC overseas in concert with the FBI and requests copies of FPCC letterhead, etc. to manufacture false FPCC ‘events’. Then one would be open to process the Montreal event as fact.
(Seeing this Montreal document reminded me of international travel to Cuba. I met a cigar lover two weeks ago, who had traveled from Seatle to Montreal to Havana to get boxes of Cuban cigars in the 60’s. If Oswald wanted to go to Cuba he could have gotten on a plane in Canada. Cuba wanted American dollars. Oswald did not have to go to Mexico City.)

3. From the jail Oswald attempted his last phone call to a number in North Carolina the “two officials” listened on the line as operator, Louise Swinney never placed a phone call., telling Oswald ‘I’m sorry the number doesn't answer. None of this is planned. But it is a small conspiracy in the moment. as the Secret Service reacts to a situation. This is a cover-up. THEY did it and didn’t have to confer with the CIA, FBI or Dallas Police or Lyndon Johnson. We only know the truth because the HSCA investigated and found the FBI manipulated witness testimony.

4. Oswald as James Bond …There is an image that makes no sense at all. Yet as I examine the other defectors I find it is not easy to determine who may be a spy. A spy is a good actor-“we’ aren’t supposed to know who the spy is or isn’t. We don’t expect the CIA to tell us. Why Oswald defected? Is he a lone nut or a part of something bigger. In fact he is both. Oswald is a useful idiot. Полезный идиот in Russian. Because a lone nut is transient and isolated he can be manipulated and guided, a lone nut is a moveable pawn. I have learned a great deal more about the defectors once I stopped asking the ‘Oswald CIA spy question’ and focused on the path to defect and found Oswald’s personality had much in common with other defectiors; as a group they are more inteligent than smart, naive, narcissistic, socially awkward, passive-aggressive, prone to depression with socially isolated childhoods. I can speculate that Oswald could have been sent by ONI; after all the Marines knew he spoke Russian, was disruptive and isolated with a high opinion of himself. The military does a lot of personalty tests for good reasons. Lee HENRY Oswald is a notional file is created by the CIA in 1960 as tigating demonstrated by the three card OSWALD files on Helms desk. HENRY is put to use in Mexico City. This is a Counter Intelligence program. Current thought by Morley and others is to sugest Angleton played a role in the assasination because of an ongoing CI connection to LHO. I doubt this strongly. Angleton is a mole hunter. DOP is the coup d'état section.

The Kennedy Asssassination is a labyrinth of frustrating paths. I have changed my paradigm tens of times as my understanding of the witness testimony, the autopsy, ballistics, photogaphy and politics has evolved.

[FISHY1118]

why would the conspirators go to all of the complex trouble of setting up a corrupt autopsy to give fake findings...?
It makes no sense at all.

This is true statement. You present a clearly a false paradigm of events.
I would submit in response to the “…not one person spilling the beans” there was a gag order. From the HSCA lettter:
We would like the appropriate official to rescind the order of
silence issued to personnel present at the autopsy of President John F.
Kennedy and to notify the personnel accordingly. The memorandum on this
matter from Admiral Horgan to the Surgeon General is attached.
The Select Committee would like any information you have
pertaining to an order, including the order itself, that was given to
Commander James J. Humes on or about November 22, 1963, pertaining to
the nature of the autopsy to be performed on President Kennedy.
(I don’t think the conspirators knew there would be a HSCA, a Church Committee, an AARB. But they would know about military orders of silence.)
The Parkland vs Bethesda question is interesting. It seems to me that If Bill Harvey or David Morales or Edward Lansdale had a multi-shooter situation plan in Dallas, that planning would have multiple patsies. If the event of a Parkland autopsy, two shooters would be found. The JFK conspiracy need not include a cast of thousands. It does need a conspirator at certain switch points; the person who calls Air Force One from the White House Situation room would be one such key position. The primary focus of this plot is a successful assassination. No one would call the Bethesda autopsy a successful autopsy.

The plot was never going to go perfectly, fall back contingencies are in place.
Since the “plan did not go as planned” is something that always happens, a coup has plans for when things do go sideways. For example, what part of Ruby assassinating Oswald in the jail surrounded by Dallas policemen could be planned in March of 1963? None. Killing Oswald would likely be planned. Maybe Tippet was supposed to kill Oswald.

In an earlier post I presented the fact that the FBI had inserted the words “a doctor admitted that it was possible there was only one wound.” into Connie Kritzberg’s story published in the 11/23/1963 Dallas Times Herald.
FIVER corrected pointed out that this “makes no sense” as it serves little purpose.
He is correct, within his paradigm, and wrong be cause of his paradigm. This aggressive act from the FBI accomplishes very little from a 2025 piont of view. Clearly, the FBI response was a knee jerk reaction rather than a planned conspiracy component, This is a FBI power move, a poitical response to to control the perception of the published story. Very similar knee jerk issue with the FBI Minox Camera fiasco. Oswald can not own a James Bond spy document camera. Oswald owns a James Bond spy document camera light meter. (as one does)
The problem begins with the questions we choose.
If the Warren Commission only asks an ‘Oswald question’ the answer is sorted as evidence into a lone nut file. Imagine a reader picks up his first JFK assassination book, he likely begins his journey with the question is Oswald guilty or innocent. This is the Warren Commission question. After a few books, a good reader will realize the better question should be “What Happened?” because the larger issue is political; if this is a coup, are we a democracy?

Thousands of facts have come to my attention that didn't make sense with my point of view.
It is necessary to rethink the paradigm of the assassination to include new information.

Consider these four events; Shooting at Walker, OSWALD a FPCC protestor in Montreal, Attempted outgoing phone call from Dallas Jail
and CIA defector questions

1. The attempt to kill General Walker. Warren Commission quote, witness Walter Kirk Coleman “in a neighboring house claimed immediately after the shooting he saw two men in separate cars drive out of a church parking lot adjacent to Walker's home. A friend of Walker's testified that two nights before the shooting, he saw "two men around the house, picking in the windows. The Warren Commission would like to use the Walker assassination attempt as proof that Oswald was a politically motivated killer. Coleman was able to give detailed descriptions of the men and their cars. Coleman was shown photographs of Oswald. He denied that Oswald resembled either of the men he had seen. Now multiple problems, Oswald could not drive. The witness saw two individual cars and two individual men. So the shooting was a conspiracy to kill Walker. The bullet did not match as Dallas police identified the bullet as 30.06 calibre. Oswald confessed to his wife and left a note. Ok. But problems with the note as HSCA handwriting experts doubted its authenticity. What evidence do we embrace and what evidence do we ignore? If Oswald was there with others, does that mean this event is a trial run"? In this debate we engage in when we discuss the JFK assassination, commonly selective evidence is presented in an imaginary prosecution vs defense format. Cherry picking. The attempt on Walker’s life may have no relationship the JFK murder. Because we seek to prove Oswald innocent or guilty, any resolution of the Walker incident calls for us to interpret, exagerate and ignore inconvient evidence. As always the best question is what happened.

2. This interesting letter sent to the Secret Service that I only became aware of this year. A Canadian customs official, Jean Paul Tremblay, who was focusing on an Cuban case, saw Lee Oswald on the streets of Montreal in August 1963 and he stated he could identify the others with Oswald. This information was ignored by the Warren Commission and will be sorted into the some rumor that doesnt matter bin by advocates of the Warren Commision. On the other hand, if one considers the Tilton/Anderson memo, where the CIA offers to discredit the FPCC overseas in concert with the FBI and requests copies of FPCC letterhead, etc. to manufacture false FPCC ‘events’. Then one would be open to process the Montreal event as fact.
(Seeing this Montreal document reminded me of international travel to Cuba. I met a cigar lover two weeks ago, who had traveled from Seatle to Montreal to Havana to get boxes of Cuban cigars in the 60’s. If Oswald wanted to go to Cuba he could have gotten on a plane in Canada. Cuba wanted American dollars. Oswald did not have to go to Mexico City.)

3. From the jail Oswald attempted his last phone call to a number in North Carolina the “two officials” listened on the line as operator, Louise Swinney never placed a phone call., telling Oswald ‘I’m sorry the number doesn't answer. None of this is planned. But it is a small conspiracy in the moment. as the Secret Service reacts to a situation. This is a cover-up. THEY did it and didn’t have to confer with the CIA, FBI or Dallas Police or Lyndon Johnson. We only know the truth because the HSCA investigated and found the FBI manipulated witness testimony.

4. Oswald as James Bond …There is an image that makes no sense at all. Yet as I examine the other defectors I find it is not easy to determine who may be a spy. A spy is a good actor-“we’ aren’t supposed to know who the spy is or isn’t. We don’t expect the CIA to tell us. Why Oswald defected? Is he a lone nut or a part of something bigger. In fact he is both. Oswald is a useful idiot. Полезный идиот in Russian. Because a lone nut is transient and isolated he can be manipulated and guided, a lone nut is a moveable pawn. I have learned a great deal more about the defectors once I stopped asking the ‘Oswald CIA spy question’ and focused on the path to defect and found Oswald’s personality had much in common with other defectiors; as a group they are more inteligent than smart, naive, narcissistic, socially awkward, passive-aggressive, prone to depression with socially isolated childhoods. I can speculate that Oswald could have been sent by ONI; after all the Marines knew he spoke Russian, was disruptive and isolated with a high opinion of himself. The military does a lot of personalty tests for good reasons. Lee HENRY Oswald is a notional file is created by the CIA in 1960 as tigating demonstrated by the three card OSWALD files on Helms desk. HENRY is put to use in Mexico City. This is a Counter Intelligence program. Current thought by Morley and others is to sugest Angleton played a role in the assasination because of an ongoing CI connection to LHO. I doubt this strongly. Angleton is a mole hunter. DOP is the coup d'état section.

The Kennedy Asssassination is a labyrinth of frustrating paths. I have changed my paradigm tens of times as my understanding of the witness testimony, the autopsy, ballistics, photogaphy and politics has evolved.

Another fascinating post Scott . I might add the "Not Maybe" , More so "Definitely" that Officer Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald..

But again, you articulate the subject of "why would ,why wouldn't they" debate that has clogged up this topic for far too long better than anyone . Cheers .