JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

Of course, with the car accelerating away, he could have tippy toed across the trunk and "sautéd" into the back seat rather than clinging on in the best position achievable.

Maybe you can ask him where in that quote did clint hill think the shots came from the front ?

Why does he continualy fiddle and change to wording to divert to a whole different debate that moves away from the original discussion?

Beats the hell outta me.

[Fiver]

Of course, with the car accelerating away, he could have tippy toed across the trunk and "sautéd" into the back seat rather than clinging on in the best position achievable.

"As the car accelerates, I wedge myself on top of the rear seat, trying to get my body above and behind Mrs. Kennedy and the president, to shield them from whatever shots might still be coming..."

Why would Clint Hill position himself "above and behind" "to shield them" if he thought the shots were coming from the front?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Maybe you can ask him where in that quote did clint hill think the shots came from the front ?

Why does he continualy fiddle and change to wording to divert to a whole different debate that moves away from the original discussion?

Beats the hell outta me.

Where has anyone even suggested that Clint Hill thought that the shots came from the front?

[FISHY1118]

Your source claimed that the APB for the JFK included a clothing description. Your source was lying.

Your source claimed that all of the Tippit murder witnesses gave an identical a clothing description. Your source was lying.

Your source claimed that Oswald was just walking down the street before he ducked into the Texas Theater. Your source was lying.

Your source claimed that Johnny Brewer was lying about hearing of Tippit's murder on the radio. Your source was lying.

Your source said that all the descriptions of Tippit's murderer contradicted each other. Your source was lying.

Your source tried to pretend that Aquilla Clemons was at least three witnesses. Your source was lying.

Your source said Domingo Benavides changed his testimony after his brother was murdered, Your source was lying.

Your source said the murderer of Eddy Benavides was never caught, Your source was lying.

Your source lied about the distance between the location of Tippit's murder and the Texas Theater.

Your source lied about the time between Tippit's murder and the time Oswald was seen entering the Texas Theater.

Your source lied about Jack Ruby having a house in Oak Cliff.

Your source lied about JD Tippit's reason for being in Oak Cliff.

Your source lied about JD Tippit having a mistress in Oak Cliff.

Your source lied about JD Tippet working for Jack Ruby.

Your source lied about Billy Lovelady looking almost the same as Oswald.

Your source lied about Lovelady being a smuggler and gunrunner.

Your source lied about Jack Ruby being a successful gunrunner.

Your source lied by claiming Ruth Paine got Lovelady a job at the TSBD.

Your source lied about the occupation of Ruth Paine's father.

Your source lied about Ruth Paine knowing Allen Dulles.

Your source lied about Oswald's level of security clearance.

That's not a complete list of your source's lies.

It your opinion that they lied !!!! , and of course your wrong , YOUR JUST GOING ROUND AND ROUND WITHOUT ANY PROOF . That the whole point of the discussion , CONTRADICTIONS AND INCONSISTANCIES OF THE W.C . YOUR MOCK TRIAL IS LOOKING SILLYIER BY THE DAY .

[FISHY1118]

Nice cutting and pasting

Nice more ''EVIDENCE'' THE W.C totally ignored , but hey why let the ''Truth'' get inthe way of a good story

[FISHY1118]

Where has anyone even suggested that Clint Hill thought that the shots came from the front?

''Why would Clint Hill position himself "above and behind" "to shield them" if he thought the shots were coming from the front?''


Fiver did. #3514

[FISHY1118]

Very good cutting and pasting

Any thoughts/discussion points/rebuttals, evaluations of your own though Fishy?

Yer plenty ,Check out the 3500 post here from the start youll find them all there , but in the mean time im having to much fun sourcing others who have blown apart the Warren Commission Lie . Just getting started .

[FISHY1118]

You have provided nothing Fishy accept a few of highly selective quotes. The shout of ‘fakes’ are just childish yells in the absence of actual evidence. Actual evidence proves Oswald’s guilt 100%.

When was Kennedy’s head ‘blown off’ Fishy? Is this a new theory?

Are they really just childish yells in the absents of evidence,? hmm let see .

[FISHY1118]

Not the most difficult question that you’ve ever posed Fiver.

It is if Clint Hill never thought that .

[Fiver]

Now heres the best bit , Doris Holan and Aquila Clemons confirm each others claims , well ill be dammed. !!! Did Mark Lane force her to testimony to a lie to herlock ?

Clemons and Holan disagree about:
* How many people they saw.
* What those people looked like.
* How those people were dressed.
* What those people said.
* What those people did.
* How those people left the scene.
* What direction those people left the scene.

But other than that, their stories matched.

That's before we consider that the "Doris Holan" account first appeared in a Conspiracist book four years after her death and didn't even get her address right.

There's also the problem (For the Conspiracists) that Holan ID'd Oswald as the shooter.

"So, she ran from the back to the living room and threw the curtain back and looked out the window and she could see this officer – Dallas police officer laying in the street; saw his squad car. And she said, on the sidewalk was a man. She said he had a gun in his hand. He had on a white jacket, black pants – ah – kind of a receding, balding hairline. And as she threw the curtain back, I guess the motion of the curtain – ‘cause he was facing her – he looked up and saw her in the window. And she looked at him. I asked her – I said, ‘Miss Holan,’ I said, ‘when you looked him in the face,’ I said, ‘and he looked at you?’ And she said, ‘Yes.’ She said – I said, ‘Do you think from the distance, where you were looking down and he was looking up, could you have identified him?’ She said, ‘Well, I’ve always said it like this,’ she said, ‘The man that I saw later that evening on TV and in the interviews and when Ruby shot him,’ she said, ‘if it wasn’t him, it was his twin brother.’ She said, ‘But on the day of, if they would have asked me, could I identify him? I would have had to say, no, she said, because I don’t think I could have made a positive identification.’ She said, ‘But, it most definitely, to a ninety-percent probability was that man that I saw on TV later.’"

[Fiver]

Here is Ted Callaway:

"'I heard shots coming from the direction behind the lot there,' Callaway said. 'Well, I come running of the side of the porch and toward the sidewalk that runs along Patton. Before I got to the sidewalk, I could see this taxi cab parked down on Patton. I saw the cabdriver [Scoggins] beside his cab, and I saw this man [the Tippit killer] run through this hedge up there on the corner [corner 10th and Patton, the Davis sisters-in-law apartments]. He runs from the yard--jumped the little hedge--and at the time he had a gun in his right hand (...) The man then cut from one side of the street to the other. That would be the east side of Patton over to the west side of Patton. I went the remaining distance, probably fifty feet in all, to the sidewalk on Patton Street, and watched the man come south on Patton toward me. The man was not in a dead run, but rather a good trot (...) I hollered out to him, 'Hey man, what the hell's going on?' That's exactly what I was wondering. At first, I thought he was a plain clothes officer. That's the first thing that entered my mind, that maybe he was after somebody. That's why I hollered at him. If I'd thought he had just killed somebody, I certainly would not have done that. So, he slowed his pace--almost halted for a minute--and turned and looked at me. He appeared to be very pale, but not excited. He said something to me, which I could not understand, and shrugged his shoulders as if to say he did not know what was happening. Then, he slowed down and started walking." (Myers, With Malice, 130-132)

"The number 2 man in the line up that I saw at City Hall is the man I saw with the gun in his hand." - Ted Calloway

[Fiver]

Frank Wright lived at the corner of E 10^th & Denver, just east of where Tippit was slain. Wright said he was standing in his living room near the front door when he heard the gunshots. Wright opened the door and stepped onto his porch, just in time to see Tippit’s body roll over and come to rest in the street. Next Mr. Wright observed a man running west from the police car. This man jumped into the driver’s seat of an old, grey coupe and drove away going west on E. 10^th. A second man in a long-sleeved coat, possibly a trench coat, then stepped into the street. The man appeared to be standing over Tippit, looking down. This second individual then returned to the sidewalk and disappeared out of sight onto one of the properties on the south side of the block.

Frank Wright's account has only one man.

[FISHY1118]

Clemons and Holan disagree about:
* How many people they saw.
* What those people looked like.
* How those people were dressed.
* What those people said.
* What those people did.
* How those people left the scene.
* What direction those people left the scene.

But other than that, their stories matched.

That's before we consider that the "Doris Holan" account first appeared in a Conspiracist book four years after her death and didn't even get her address right.

There's also the problem (For the Conspiracists) that Holan ID'd Oswald as the shooter.

"So, she ran from the back to the living room and threw the curtain back and looked out the window and she could see this officer – Dallas police officer laying in the street; saw his squad car. And she said, on the sidewalk was a man. She said he had a gun in his hand. He had on a white jacket, black pants – ah – kind of a receding, balding hairline. And as she threw the curtain back, I guess the motion of the curtain – ‘cause he was facing her – he looked up and saw her in the window. And she looked at him. I asked her – I said, ‘Miss Holan,’ I said, ‘when you looked him in the face,’ I said, ‘and he looked at you?’ And she said, ‘Yes.’ She said – I said, ‘Do you think from the distance, where you were looking down and he was looking up, could you have identified him?’ She said, ‘Well, I’ve always said it like this,’ she said, ‘The man that I saw later that evening on TV and in the interviews and when Ruby shot him,’ she said, ‘if it wasn’t him, it was his twin brother.’ She said, ‘But on the day of, if they would have asked me, could I identify him? I would have had to say, no, she said, because I don’t think I could have made a positive identification.’ She said, ‘But, it most definitely, to a ninety-percent probability was that man that I saw on TV later.’"

Conclusion ? This proves my point ,More contradictions and inconsistancies of the W.C., it doesnt mean your sourse is correct and tru. Care to do another Mock trial with all this infaormation and see if we get a guilty verdict .? I should think not .


Lets move on to the Fake Autopsy photos now shall we.

[FISHY1118]

Frank Wright's account has only one man.

Two accounts of the same scene Frank wright first paragraph, Helen Markam 2nd paragraph.

[Fiver]

Patton Avenue witness Sam Guinyard would later confide to researcher Michael Brownlow that he too had seen police activity in that alleyway at about the time Tippit was killed. The car lot where Guinyard worked sat adjacent to E 10^th Street’s rear alleyway. The problem is, according to Dallas Police records, no other Dallas police were known to be in that immediate vicinity.

Michael Brownlow has made a lot of claims, but has provided no evidence for those claims.