JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

The throat shot and the head shot came from the south knoll. That is the scientific fact.

The throat shot could not have come from the South Knoll.

"When one first stands behind the picket fence, he/she is struck by a number of sensations. First, there is no clear shot at the middle lane of Elm Street [where the limousine was] until the instant of the head shot, allowing for no earlier shots or tracking of the moving target. It turns out that the intended victim is obscured by road signs and a white retaining wall about ten feet in front of the fence.

An even more compelling problem was driven home during the filming of JFK. I was fortunate to be able to stand near the camera as this scene was reenacted. With the street crowd added as it appeared on the day of the shooting, it became clear that, insofar as the first two shots are concerned, a grassy knoll shot was also obstructed by the crowd that lined the sidewalk. The assassin would thus [have] had to shoot through the white wall, the road signs, and bystanders to get to the President. If the assassin shot Kennedy in the head, he had to shoot in the first second the car emerged from behind the retaining wall, again past (or through) the heads of spectators." - Guy Russo, pro-conspiracy consultant for Oliver Stone's JFK.

If there was a headshot from the front, it would have to:
* Be fired at a laterally moving target less than 1 second after the target became visible. That's almost impossible.
* Strike at the same instant that a rear shot hit JFK's head. That is impossible to do on purpose.
* Be completely unnecessary, since the Book Depository shooter had already put a round into JFK's head.
* Not penetrate the far side of JFK's skull.
* Completely disappear, leaving no bullet fragments in JFK's brain.

[Fiver]

I'm rather neutral on this but what happens if when all the latest documents have been analysed or a new enquiry proves LHO and A.N. Other did the shooting? Will that be the end of it or will the Lone Gunman supporters not accept it?

That's what the Conspiracists claimed would happen for each of the multiple previous investigations and document releases.

If there was a Conspiracy and they were stupid enough to document their assassination plot in the first place, they've had 60 years to destroy that evidence.

[Fiver]

Personally, I don't reject the possibility of a second gunman, but he doesn't have to be in league with Oswald - who would want to do something as complex and risky as killing the President, and then choosing Oswald as a partner or a patsy? He was totally unreliable, and who could be sure of what he might say when questioned?

Agreed. A second, unrelated shooter who missed completely, while unlikely, is possible. A second shooter in the Daltex building, while unlikely, is possible. Oswald recruiting a second member for the New Orleans Fair Play for Cuba, while unlikely, is possible. Someone in the Castro regime using Oswald as the shooter, while wildly unlikely, is possible.

Using a shooter from the Grassy Knoll is impossible. Faking the photographic, ballistic, x-ray, and fingerprint evidence is impossible.

[Fiver]

If I recall correctly Fiver someone produced a document ‘linking’ Oswald to the CIA until someone noticed that the serial numbers were wrong and that it was a fake. I recall at the time that I may….just may have noted the supreme irony of the conspiracy side using an actual faked document…not just an alleged one.

All of the proven faked documents have come from the Conspiracy side.

Though to be fair, plenty of Conspracists have condemned the fakes and loonies like Jim Garrison.

[FISHY1118]

Even today, with all of the modern technology available, people still argue about at what exact point Kennedy’s and Connally react. It’s a minute fraction of a second. And you are actually claiming that one of the two people shot could possibly come up with a definitive answer? When one person was sitting behind the other? Connally was simply mistaken. 3 cartridges Fishy.

I'm not claiming it ,Connally his wife and two others are , and they were there. There's nothing else to say really.

[FISHY1118]

No thanks Fishy. I think I need a break from this forum.

Fair call.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I'm not claiming it ,Connally his wife and two others are , and they were there. There's nothing else to say really.

It’s entirely up to you of course if you consider that in any way decisive but I think that most people would agree that a man that’s just been shot isn’t the best witness of anything. Especially when he’s thinking back to that event.

[Herlock Sholmes]

All of the proven faked documents have come from the Conspiracy side.

Though to be fair, plenty of Conspracists have condemned the fakes and loonies like Jim Garrison.

It’s also a fact that all of the dodgy witnesses are on the conspiracy side too.

[GBinOz]

There's a homemade sling in the backyard photos. By the time of the JFK assassination, the rifle has a much better sling. The simple explanation is that the rifle had no sling when he bought it, he created an improved sling, and later replaced the improvised sling with a better sling.

The sling studs shown in the Klein's advertisement AND in the backyard photo are mounted UNDER the rifle stock. The sling studs on the Carcano from the TSBD has the sling studs of a completely different design mounted on the SIDE of the stock. Will your next suggestion be that he replaced both the stock and the sling on an obsolete rifle?

[GBinOz]

The throat shot could not have come from the South Knoll.

"When one first stands behind the picket fence, he/she is struck by a number of sensations. First, there is no clear shot at the middle lane of Elm Street [where the limousine was] until the instant of the head shot, allowing for no earlier shots or tracking of the moving target. It turns out that the intended victim is obscured by road signs and a white retaining wall about ten feet in front of the fence.

An even more compelling problem was driven home during the filming of JFK. I was fortunate to be able to stand near the camera as this scene was reenacted. With the street crowd added as it appeared on the day of the shooting, it became clear that, insofar as the first two shots are concerned, a grassy knoll shot was also obstructed by the crowd that lined the sidewalk. The assassin would thus [have] had to shoot through the white wall, the road signs, and bystanders to get to the President. If the assassin shot Kennedy in the head, he had to shoot in the first second the car emerged from behind the retaining wall, again past (or through) the heads of spectators." - Guy Russo, pro-conspiracy consultant for Oliver Stone's JFK.

If there was a headshot from the front, it would have to:
* Be fired at a laterally moving target less than 1 second after the target became visible. That's almost impossible.
* Strike at the same instant that a rear shot hit JFK's head. That is impossible to do on purpose.
* Be completely unnecessary, since the Book Depository shooter had already put a round into JFK's head.
* Not penetrate the far side of JFK's skull.
* Completely disappear, leaving no bullet fragments in JFK's brain.

It appears that your knowledge of firearms and ballistics is at a similar level to your knowledge of geography (aren't you the one that denied the existence of mercury projectiles because they would have to be frozen until immediately before being fired? ).
The word south was boldened and underlined, but perhaps I should have also capitalised. Had you taken the trouble to actually view the videos I linked before you adversely critiqued them you might have known to which knoll I was referring.

[FISHY1118]

It’s entirely up to you of course if you consider that in any way decisive but I think that most people would agree that a man that’s just been shot isn’t the best witness of anything. Especially when he’s thinking back to that event.

That may well be the case in other instances , but in this case there is certainty and corroborative witnesses that make it doubtful his was in error.

[FISHY1118]

Thera also the conundrum of both Connally and James Tague claiming they were both hit ( in tagues case injured) by the "Second" shot .

[Fiver]

(aren't you the one that denied the existence of mercury projectiles because they would have to be frozen until immediately before being fired? ).

You are aware that mercury is a liquid a room temperature?

Mercury bullets appear in works of fiction. The bullets and the weapon would have to be kept at almost -40 degrees to keep the bullet from melting. and mercury is not explosive.

Mercury could be put in the tip of a bullet but that won't make the bullet casing magically disappear.

Mercury fulminate is explosive, but if you put that in a bullet, odds are it will blow up inside the gun, since it's highly sensitive to shock.

Exploding bullets do exist. They are notoriously unreliable. When Hinckley tried to assassinate Reagan he fired 6 explosive bullets, only one of which exploded.

And Mythbusters showed that frangible bullets that leave no trace are mythical.

[Fiver]

Had you taken the trouble to actually view the videos I linked before you adversely critiqued them you might have known to which knoll I was referring.

I watched the Sherry Fiester Explains Trajectory Cone video. It has claims, but no evidence.

The Photographic Evidence of Bullet Hole in JFK Limousine Windshield link is provably wrong. The actual windshield was entered into evidence and shows cracks, but no bullet holes.

JFK The South Knoll Gunman video started using deliberate deception about 1 minute into the video. There was no need to waste another 1 hour and 12 minutes watching something that was deliberately trying to decieve me.

[Fiver]

The word south was boldened and underlined, but perhaps I should have also capitalised.

I did miss that, what with 99.9% of all Knoll mentions being the Grassy Knoll. It's probably less bad than the Grassy Knoll idea, but the Zapruder and Muchmore films, as well as the x-rays show the fatal head shot came from behind.