JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

But there was no stationary target. JFK was a moving target. Greer slowing down, which would have been impossible to coordinate with assassins outside the car, meant that instead of a moving target traveling at a constant speed, JFK was traveling at variable speeds, which made him harder to hit.

The more slowly the vehicle was moving, the easier the target became.

The approximate place where the car would be slowed down must have been decided in advance.

By coincidence, around the time it slowed down, Umbrella Man raised his umbrella and Dark Complected Man raised his arm.

[Fiver]

That IS what happened, as was recorded on film.

One of the SS men was Clint Hill and the other was either Lawton or Rybka.

It happened long before Greer accelerated the car, NOT afterwards.[/QUOTE]

That isn't what happened. One Secret Service man, Jack McReady, was called back after Greer accelerated the Presidential limo, which happened after the head shot to JFK. Lawton was in the car in front of Kennedy. From what I can tell, Rybka wasn't present.

[cobalt]

Hi Cobalt. I have my own ideas, but what do you think the manual means by "The propaganda value of this system may be high."?
That a public assassination would have a more demoralizing effect on the targeted nation, or something else?

Pretty much what you say. It exposes a perceived weakness inside the targeted government while heralding the power of the opposition. What used to be called 'propaganda of the deed.' Such an act has just been carried out in Vietnam prior to JFK's assassination, from memory.

[Fiver]

Oswald can use the elevator whenever he likes, get into it with a rifle without anyone noticing it, assemble it without anyone noticing, set up the sniper's nest without anyone noticing, shoot Kennedy without anyone being around, cross the sixth floor while carrying a rifle - after the shooting - without anyone noticing, and then descend the stairs to the second floor without anyone noticing and without showing any signs of recent physical activity.

The Invisible Man.

Still more credible than a group of strangers doing the same thing and ensuring that Oswald has no alibi, without Oswald or anyone else noticing him being spied on.

[Joshua Rogan]

I have not yet been able to find his description of Oswald's hair colour in his testimony.

It's from they Clay Shaw trial.

[cobalt]

RJ Palmer,

My memory was faulty. Diem was not assassinated in public in November 1963. One of the most public assassinations I remember was that of Anwar Sadat who was killed during a military parade that was being shown live on Egyptian TV. That coup d'etat was not successful however.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ve just ordered this book which looks interesting.

https://www.eriehistory.org/blog/the-kennedy-detail-jfks-secret-service-agents-break-their-silence

Clint Hill and others have contributed. It’s interesting to compare the authors view of Hill compared with the cold hearted traitor described by PI…


The majority of the book, of course is about the Dallas trip, the advance, the trip itself and the aftermath. These chapters are heart wrenching because of the anguish and feeling of having failed by the men of the Kennedy Detail. They had lost their man, and in their minds they had failed. Clint Hill seemed to take it harder , especially later in his career. He would serve for five presidents, retiring in 1975. His drinking and subsequent divorce caused by his depression had let him to the point where he could not pass the physical. It was not until a reunion of the agents in Dallas years later, the first time many had been back since 1963. Most, including Clint Hill concluded that every advantage lay with the shooter that day-there was nothing they could have done differently.

Human beings who’s side of the story should be listened to.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

One of the SS men was Clint Hill and the other was either Lawton or Rybka.

It happened long before Greer accelerated the car, NOT afterwards.[/B]

That isn't what happened. One Secret Service man, Jack McReady, was called back after Greer accelerated the Presidential limo, which happened after the head shot to JFK. Lawton was in the car in front of Kennedy. From what I can tell, Rybka wasn't present.




That IS exactly what happened.

You can see it on the video at JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown

You can see Clint Hill, after having been called back by Emory Roberts, getting back onto the follow-up limousine on the left of the picture just before 1:00.

[Fiver]

Is that the same Howard Brennan that said he saw someone shooting from a standing position through a window that could only be opened up to waist level, and that said he saw the fatal head shot fired, and then turned to see the bullet strike Kennedy's head? Sir HS comes up with some fantasist witnesses.

Brennan didn't say any of that.

[Fiver]

You can see it on the video at JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown

You can see Clint Hill, after having been called back by Emory Roberts, getting back onto the follow-up limousine on the left of the picture just before 1:00.[/B]

Have you never seen the Zapruder film?

Kennedy was shot around 12:30. Clint Hill ran forward, pushed Jackie Kennedy back into the seat and barely hung on as the limo sped to the hospital. By 1pm, Clint Hill was calling a mortuary to have a casket brought to Parkland Hospital.

[Joshua Rogan]

Tippett got out of he car and started walking around it to the passenger side with his hand on the butt of his gun.

Also, several witnesses confirmed his gun was in his hand and out of his holster when he lay on the ground:

"Mr. BELIN - Did you notice where the gun of the policeman was?
Mr. BENAVIDES - The gun was in his hand and he was partially lying on his gun in his right hand. He was partially lying on his gun and on his hand, too....
...he [Callaway] was reaching down and getting the gun out of the policeman's hand"

CALLAWAY: "The people wonder whether he ever got his pistol out of his holster. He did.
Mr. BALL. The pistol was out of the holster?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; out of the holster, and it was unsnapped. It was on his right side. He was laying with the gun under him."

CIMINO: "His gun was out of the holster and lying by his side"

[Herlock Sholmes]

Have you never seen the Zapruder film?

The real one or the faked one.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Have you never seen the Zapruder film?

Kennedy was shot around 12:30. Clint Hill ran forward, pushed Jackie Kennedy back into the seat and barely hung on as the limo sped to the hospital. By 1pm, Clint Hill was calling a mortuary to have a casket brought to Parkland Hospital.

It seems you have never seen the Secret Service Stand-down film.

[Fiver]

Here is the photograph.

Looks Photoshopped to me.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yeah, clearly faked.