JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

I spent some hours, on your recommendation, watching the trial of Oswald. I think that Bugliosi led the witnesses far too much, engaged mostly in speculation and tried to bully witnesses into speculating on matters about which they could have had no knowledge. I found the most interesting testimony came from Edwin Lopez.

You will recall that there were two dictabelt recordings and it was claimed that the second disproved the first. That has subsequently been proved to be incorrect. When the sound recording is overlaid and synchronised with the ZP there is a plethora of new information revealed. Of particular interest is the double headshot after frame 312. But I won't attempt to explain here. It is all set out in this Josiah Thompson presentation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8i-R3saBBs&ab_channel=ABC7NewsBayArea

It will only take 2 hours to watch, less than I spent on watching the trial.

You seem to think that my position is that Oswald was an innocent bystander. I consider that unlikely. I'm just not certain that his role included pulling a trigger. We now know that he was working with or for the CIA and I wonder if, in that role, he knew he was working for the assassination of JFK (he was heard to speak well of JFK) or if he thought he was involved in another project entirely(it is known that he had a grudge against Connolly). So when the assassination takes place he realises that he is being set up and goes into a mode similar to that portrayed in "Six Days of the Condor".

Cheers, George

Has something new come up since this piece George which seems to show quite clearly how unreliable the dictabelt recording is?

[Joshua Rogan]

Most people are familiar with the Moorman photo, but here is what is claimed to be an image of a gunman. I'm always a bit sceptical about seeing things in what seems to be random mixture of light and dark, but this enlargement is more impressive than most.

It seems to depict a muzzle blast but JFK's head has not been hit, which would mean the bullet is in flight. The bright spot below the muzzle blast is purported to be a badge.

What's that even bigger white blob, another gunman firing over badgeman's shoulder?

I think you're right to be sceptical.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Has something new come up since this piece George which seems to show quite clearly how unreliable the dictabelt recording is?

Sorry, I forgot to post the link.

http://www.historyisnowmagazine.com/blog/2022/1/6/evidence-of-a-jfk-murder-conspiracy-the-dictabelt-recording-of-the-kennedy-assassination

[Abby Normal]

I fall into the camp that believes he was used by rogue CIA handlers (like David Atlee Phillips) along with pissed-off Cuban exiles as a set-up to blame the assassination on Castro. I believe he was outside on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository during the shooting just as Hosty reported Oswald said he was.

JM

interesting. well what happened then? why didnt castro get blamed? everything seemed to go off with out a hitch if that was the plan.

[FISHY1118]

interesting. well what happened then? why didnt castro get blamed? everything seemed to go off with out a hitch if that was the plan.

Perhaps one possibe reason why was that after the botched bay of pigs invasion , if Castro was seen to be suspected of any involvement, it might have given Johnson a reason to have another legitimate crack at removing him with the whole country's blessing .

Knowing tho Russia had castros back, this would have certainly led to ww3 and he chose to instruct earl Warren it would be better to make it look like the lone nut theory.imo

[GBinOz]

Three Days of the Condor 1975-Robert Redford Faye Dunaway Cliff Robertson Max von Sydow John Houseman Addison Powell Walter McGinn Tina Chen.

Six Days of the Condor - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Six_Days_of_the_Con...
Six Days of the Condor is a thriller novel by American author James Grady, first published in 1974 by W.W. Norton.

I read the novel before I saw the movie Dave.

[GBinOz]

Sorry, I forgot to post the link.

http://www.historyisnowmagazine.com/blog/2022/1/6/evidence-of-a-jfk-murder-conspiracy-the-dictabelt-recording-of-the-kennedy-assassination

Yes, the video addresses this, and is one hour and twenty minutes, not two hours as previously stated by me...Ooops.

[DJA]

Six Days of the Condor - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Six_Days_of_the_Con...
Six Days of the Condor is a thriller novel by American author James Grady, first published in 1974 by W.W. Norton.

I read the novel before I saw the movie Dave.

The movie co-stars Cliff Robertson who played JFK in PT109.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yes, the video addresses this, and is one hour and twenty minutes, not two hours as previously stated by me...Ooops.

For every pro argument there’s a con argument. I have a tech issue with YT at the moment. Every vid just cuts out as soon as it begins. It might be my iPad. I’ve given up on it.

[GBinOz]

But if Oswald wasn't the trigger man in the TSBD, who was? And how did he escape the building without being witnessed by any of the witnesses?

PS Six days of the Condor? I thought someone said Day off the Condor earlier...is this a conspiracy?

Hi Joshua,

That's a very good question. Baker said he heard shots from the depository and was on his way to the higher floors when he encountered Oswald. Presuming he continued on his way he should have found whoever was still there. There is some discussion about the lifts being operational. I thought I read that there was a power outage but I haven't been able to find that reference. But the floors of the book depository were stacked with books and boxes so I suppose it may not have been have been too difficult to play hide and seek?? Short answer is, I don't know.

Six Days of the Condor was a spy book made into a movie with Robert Redford.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073802/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

There are a few parallels with Oswald.

Cheers, George

[Abby Normal]

Perhaps one possibe reason why was that after the botched bay of pigs invasion , if Castro was seen to be suspected of any involvement, it might have given Johnson a reason to have another legitimate crack at removing him with the whole country's blessing .

Knowing tho Russia had castros back, this would have certainly led to ww3 and he chose to instruct earl Warren it would be better to make it look like the lone nut theory.imo

got it thanks! did he also instruct the dallas police and fbi also to come to this conclusion?

[FISHY1118]

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got it thanks! did he also instruct the dallas police and fbi also to come to this conclusion?

Not personally.

[GBinOz]

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got it thanks! did he also instruct the dallas police and fbi also to come to this conclusion?

Not personally.

Probably via the deputy Attorney General:

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s important to note that no one reported seeing any unknown person in the TSBD either before or after the shots were fired. This doesn’t mean that it was impossible for anyone to have sneaked inside of course and we have to accept that not every employee would necessarily have known all other employees, however that person would have to have been considered very lucky to have got in and out unnoticed. Especially after the shots had been fired and a policeman had immediately searched the building leaving employees at least aware of the possibility that the shots had come from their building which would have meant that the assassin was very probably still inside the building. We also have to ask about the extent of Baker’s search? Did he not search the floors and look behind boxes? If there’s evidence that he didn’t do this then he was certainly at fault. Surely he wouldn’t have ignored the fact that there were stacks of boxes for anyone to hide behind?

This alone makes a different gunman unlikely imo but I would further ask, if Oswald wasn’t the shooter but only bought the weapon to the TSBD, why didn’t he make himself visible and heard in the lunchroom at the time that the shots were fired? Or even better, why didn’t he watch motorcade from the front door with other employees giving himself a cast iron alibi?

This would hardly have been genius level planning. It’s page one in the criminal’s handbook…..if possible create an alibi. Oswald, if innocent, couldn’t have failed to have done so if he was innocent. The fact that he didn’t combined with the fact that he can’t be placed away from the 6th floor at the time of the shots just before he fled the scene scream loudly of ‘guilty’ to me.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s important to note that no one reported seeing any unknown person in the TSBD either before or after the shots were fired. This doesn’t mean that it was impossible for anyone to have sneaked inside of course and we have to accept that not every employee would necessarily have known all other employees, however that person would have to have been considered very lucky to have got in and out unnoticed. Especially after the shots had been fired and a policeman had immediately searched the building leaving employees at least aware of the possibility that the shots had come from their building which would have meant that the assassin was very probably still inside the building. We also have to ask about the extent of Baker’s search? Did he not search the floors and look behind boxes? If there’s evidence that he didn’t do this then he was certainly at fault. Surely he wouldn’t have ignored the fact that there were stacks of boxes for anyone to hide behind?

This alone makes a different gunman unlikely imo but I would further ask, if Oswald wasn’t the shooter but only bought the weapon to the TSBD, why didn’t he make himself visible and heard in the lunchroom at the time that the shots were fired? Or even better, why didn’t he watch motorcade from the front door with other employees giving himself a cast iron alibi?

This would hardly have been genius level planning. It’s page one in the criminal’s handbook…..if possible create an alibi. Oswald, if innocent, couldn’t have failed to have done so if he was innocent. The fact that he didn’t combined with the fact that he can’t be placed away from the 6th floor at the time of the shots just before he fled the scene scream loudly of ‘guilty’ to me.

As per the WC Report it looks like Baker didn’t really search the floors as he’d believed that the shots came from the roof so he just headed straight there and back.