Packer and Schwartz

[Paddy]

If It was Kozminski that went in to infirmary (location ?) and the police found the asylum, an id would not have been allowed. I seem to remember it was refused by doctors when Isenschmidt was an patient?

Pat........

[Wickerman]

Well if anybody can give me some names and age I can check them?
I will check the Saunders entry.
I did find Nathan Cohens admission and discharge, but that was to late to be this suspect.

Pat........

Hi Pat.

Oswald Puckridge (alt. Puckeridge), born: 1838.
John William Smith Sanders (alt. Saunders), born: 1862.

Are you able to list all admissions between Oct. 1st and 11th?
Perhaps there is a name someone might recognize?

[S.Brett]

Hi Pat,

I did find Nathan Cohens admission and discharge, but that was to late to be this suspect.

Is it the same Nathan Cohen I posted yesterday?

NATHAN COHEN (born Russia, Poland), a Tailor, 164 Wentworth Street in 1891 (Census) but his shop is 126 Wentworth Street (Post Office Directory).

Probably not...

If It was Kozminski that went in to infirmary (location ?) and the police found the asylum, an id would not have been allowed. I seem to remember it was refused by doctors when Isenschmidt was an patient?

Pat........

I quite believe it. But after he was back at his shop Schwartz and Lawende, accompanied by policemen (we frequently stopped across in the role of customers- Cox), could have seen him, a kind of ID. I do not know how an ID took place.

Karsten.

[S.Brett]

Hi Pat.

Oswald Puckridge (alt. Puckeridge), born: 1838.
John William Smith Sanders (alt. Saunders), born: 1862.

Are you able to list all admissions between Oct. 1st and 11th?
Perhaps there is a name someone might recognize?

Good idea!

[Paddy]

Jon, Karsten

I scoured them last night but dont know all names you have Jon.

Jon.....Yes you can search by date so I will check. I could list them but would have to cut it down a bit. I will count them between 20-30 years old (also the two mentioned) and list as soon as I can, depending on the amount.

Karsten... this Nathan Cohen admitted in December and was sent to Colney Hatch (Insane I seem to remember) from there. He was brought in by police.

Pat...........

[S.Brett]

Karsten... this Nathan Cohen admitted in December and was sent to Colney Hatch (Insane I seem to remember) from there. He was brought in by police.

Thanks Pat,

I thought Martin Fido had found all of the Cohen, Kaminsky and Kosminski in Colney Hatch at that time.

I do not remember Nathan Cohen. To me it is new.

There was one Cohen, Martin Fido´s suspect:

David Cohen, act 23, from 86 Leman Street, Relatives unknown,
Adm. Dec. 21 88 sent to Colney Hatch Died Oct 20 89

Karsten.

[Paddy]

Karsten so sorry, getting my Kaminskys and Cohens mixed.
You are quite right it was David not Nathan.

I once found a Nathan Karninsky/i in the workhouse registers on ancestry,
who was transferred to or from Bethlem Asylum. This looked very like Kaminsky (rn and m look very similar) Might be worth a look?

Pat..........

[S.Brett]

Karsten so sorry, getting my Kaminskys and Cohens mixed.
You are quite right it was David not Nathan.

I once found a Nathan Karninsky/i in the workhouse registers on ancestry,
who was transferred to or from Bethlem Asylum. This looked very like Kaminsky (rn and m look very similar) Might be worth a look?

Pat..........

If we can find out more about him than Martin Fido... but I use his notes:

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=12948

Ah, it is Nathan Karninsky, not Karnsky:

Nathan Karnsky.
Born 1872. Admitted Colney Hatch
21 Dec 1899. Died there 9 July 1908
(in Bethnal Green book)

(My German fellow countryman Frank Forster had "translated" Martin Fido´s notes)

[Wickerman]

I scoured them last night but dont know all names you have Jon.

Jon.....Yes you can search by date so I will check. I could list them but would have to cut it down a bit. I will count them between 20-30 years old (also the two mentioned) and list as soon as I can, depending on the amount.

I'm sorry Pat, didn't mean to put you to a great deal of trouble. I wasn't expecting too many in 11 days, but it's only the surnames that we might be interested in as a starter.
If any names ring any bells for someone they might alert you for more details.

Is this list available on-line?

[Paddy]

Ah, it is Nathan Karninsky, not Karnsky:
Nathan Karnsky.
Born 1872. Admitted Colney Hatch
21 Dec 1899. Died there 9 July 1908
(in Bethnal Green book)

Karsten: Could be but that record is not the one I found as my one said he had come or going to Bethlem. (I think it was come from, I will try and find it)

Jon: Yes it is online on (Ancestry) Admission and Discharge records 1659-1930
Tower Hamlets-Stepney
Browse by date Mile End Workhouse 1888-1889 (page 40 on)
Pat.......

[S.Brett]

Karsten: Could be but that record is not the one I found as my one said he had come or going to Bethlem. (I think it was come from, I will try and find it)

Sorry Pat, there is a second entry:

workhouse X20/12
records
N Karnsky, to Workhouse, May 8th
13.6.99 To Bethnal House Asylum
May 13th Tranferred to London County
(=Heath Asylum) Asylum, Besley Dec. 21st
Date of birth now given as 1868
29 in 1902, 30 1903

So, I will take a look at Ancestry...

[Paddy]

That could well be it Karsten, thanks. Could it mean Bexley Heath ? There was an Asylum there...
Pat.....

[Paddy]

Back to the original news article,
If the suspect was Jewish his people may have gone straight to The Jewish Board of Guardians and they may have placed him somewhere?

Pat......

[S.Brett]

That could well be it Karsten, thanks. Could it mean Bexley Heath ? There was an Asylum there...
Pat.....

Yes Pat, I think you are correct...

On Ancestry I could not find "anything" in Admission and Discharge records Mile End Workhouse 1888-1889 so far... my eyes are weary...

[S.Brett]

Back to the original news article,
If the suspect was Jewish his people may have gone straight to The Jewish Board of Guardians and they may have placed him somewhere?

Pat......

I do not know much about The Jewish Board of Guardians... but why not...?