Packer and Schwartz

[Jeff Leahy]

Correction to my earlier post on page 83
Fantastic pictures Jeff, takes me back to my schooldays. ! My dad used to take me up Petticoat Lane and Club Row most sundays. Some of the sellers were comical and very entertaining.....

Pat.......................

Thanks Pat.. I will pursue my journey for a number of reasons..

It had not occurred to me before doing the walk, how close the City PC patrols and the MET patrols actually were...

So my venture into Aldgate and the line between Goulston street and the City boundary is next

Many thanks

Yours Jeff

[Paddy]

Correction to my earlier post on page 83

The police on examination found that the murdered woman's husband was a much older man than the individual now detained and without sending for Catherine Eddowes sister , they let the man go.
The police now have under close observation in connection with the Whitechapel murder a man now inmate of the East End infirmary who was admitted since the murder under suspicious circumstances.

I found a news article regarding the highlighted statement above. Apparently the police were looking for Catherine Eddowes husband. They had found one who was asking a pub landlord in Clerkenwell to sign some papers and his name was Conway. The police must have brought him in then found he was not Eddowes ex partner Thomas Conway as he was too young, and let him go.

The second part is still interesting though. I previously thought the two might be connected but it seems they are not.

Fantastic pictures Jeff, takes me back to my schooldays. ! My dad used to take me up Petticoat Lane and Club Row most sundays. Some of the sellers were comical and very entertaining.....

Pat.......................

[Wickerman]

Hi Jon,

They ignored the razor? It must not have had any blood on it. I suppose it would only work for slashing, not piercing, anyway?

Hi Pat.

That could well be the case.
This story appears to taken place on the Monday, 1st, so as the post-mortem had been conducted the previous afternoon, Sunday, they would have known about any internal wounds produced by a long pointed instrument, likely the razor was too short and not pointed?

[S.Brett]

subsequently he was released.

...and shadowed by the police?

Hi Jon!

he seemed unable to give any account of himself... walked from Southampton...An examination of his boots was not confirmatory of his statement about his travels...

Just thoughts...

If the police followed the man they would have found out where the man was living... maybe, at the police station he changed his "unable to give any account of himself"... and suddenly he was able to give account of himself... who knows...

If this man was "Kosminski" and his family brought him in an East End Infirmary after he was released from the police station in Leman Street all the time the police did not let him "out of sight"...

Karsten.

[Pcdunn]

Hi Jon,

They ignored the razor? It must not have had any blood on it. I suppose it would only work for slashing, not piercing, anyway?

[Wickerman]

The Daily Telegraph, Tuesday, 2 October, 1888:

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/daily_telegraph/dt881002.html

"a man was, later in the day, brought to the Leman-street Police-station by a constable who found him prowling about not far from Mitre-street. His face was haggard, and he seemed unable to give any account of himself. Upon him were found 1s 4˝d in money and a razor, and round his throat was a woollen scarf of a violet colour, upon which were several long hairs, supposed to be those of a woman." (1 October 1888)

Hi Karsten.
On the face of it the above sounds intriguing, but the paragraph continues with:

"...At the station he said, in reply to the inspector, that he had walked from Southampton, and belonged to the Royal Sussex Regiment. An examination of his boots was not confirmatory of his statement about his travels, and he was detained that inquiries might be made. No blood was found upon his clothes, nor any weapon likely to have inflicted the wounds. No importance is attached to this arrest, and the man has since been liberated."

So he was held while inquiries were made, subsequently he was released. So his claims must have checked out.

[S.Brett]

Please take pictures of Wentworth Street (north and south side) between Goulston Street and George Yard.

Sorry Jeff, between Goulston Street and Old Castle Street!

[S.Brett]

I've marked in red where i believe the original stairway, where graffiti and apron were found

I'm happy to be corrected if anyone thinks I have it wrong, i'm not a tour guide, but I think this is where the original was

I think you are correct...

The George Yard picture-Furnishing House- (Post 880):

This is my idea of Cox´s view of the suspect´s shop! The suspect left the shop turned directly into a street which led to Leman Street.

Please take pictures of Wentworth Street (north and south side) between Goulston Street and George Yard.

Yours Karsten.

[Jeff Leahy]

As you pass Goulston street heading down wentworth street shops become very small in size...

Photos finish at No One wentworth Street

Last shot heads back unto Gouldston Street, I've marked in red where i believe the original stairway, where graffiti and apron were found

I'm happy to be corrected if anyone thinks I have it wrong, i'm not a tour guide, but I think this is where the original was

Yours Jeff

Google street view...cool yes...hopefully i have the graffiti location correct?

[S.Brett]

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the the pictures. I "followed" you via Google Street View...

[Jeff Leahy]

As we proceed up Wentworth street numbers become lower

To our Right Bell Lane and to our left Goulston Street, where we discover the Graffito and apron piece

Yours Jeff

[S.Brett]

Very interesting Stuff Karsten

Camberwell is certainly one of the main three asylums I have looked at in Surrey, with Bethel and Holloway and would certain make more sense doesn't Golda live in Wansworth?

While on my travels to Leaman street yesterday I cam across a Lutherian Church next door to an English and German language building thought they might interest you

Yours Jeff

Cool!

[Jeff Leahy]

As we head up Wentworth Old Castle ally to our left and Toynbee street to our right....

[Jeff Leahy]

We leave Gunthorpe street and head towards Commercial street.

We cross Commercial Street into wentworth Street where you have suggested Cox may have had use of a shop?

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Ok we look briefly up Old Montigue street...I believe Black lion Yard is on right?

Then turn back to the junction Osbourne and Bricklane... Trawl street is on your right as you head down Wentworth Street and Gunthorpe Street and George Yard to your left

Yours Jeff