A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899

[Scott Nelson]

Sailors wore waist-length, loose jackets which were open at the front...

Yes, I can see that some did.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

it’s the bloody CIA again Al.

They'll stop at nothing!

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Yeah, images are fine now

[Herlock Sholmes]

How about these?

Are you being serious?

Words fail me.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

No images here either.

How about these?

[Herlock Sholmes]

No images here either.

it’s the bloody CIA again Al.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

No images here either.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Post #354 you said

I would be interested to know whether other members can see the illustrations I uploaded.

Someone answers and the appreciation they get is 'google it instead'. Charming

I was trying to be helpful.

I was told that the illustrations were not appearing on this page and on trying another browser, I had the same misfortune.

I don't know what else I could have done but refer to the source I suggested.

[Dickere]

It was only when I tried viewing this page in another browser that the photos failed to appear.

As I said, most of the illustrations I posted can be viewed by entering nineteenth century sailor uniforms in a Google search engine.

Post #354 you said

I would be interested to know whether other members can see the illustrations I uploaded.

Someone answers and the appreciation they get is 'google it instead'. Charming

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Photos not showing here either.

It was only when I tried viewing this page in another browser that the photos failed to appear.

As I said, most of the illustrations I posted can be viewed by entering nineteenth century sailor uniforms in a Google search engine.

[Dickere]

Photos not showing here either.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

There is no such thing as a jacket that is so loose that it couldn’t be buttoned up. That’s a strange claim to say the least.

It is quite obvious that they were tailored so as not to be buttoned up, which is why those seen wearing them are wearing them unbuttoned.

Again, I suggest the two things are connected.

Most of the illustrations I posted can be viewed by entering nineteenth century sailor uniforms in a Google search engine.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I would be interested to know whether other members can see the illustrations I uploaded.

I can see all 13.

The illustrations show loose-fitting jackets.

They are not buttoned at the front and most of them are so loose that it would obviously have been impossible to button them up.

There is no such thing as a jacket that is so loose that it couldn’t be buttoned up. That’s a strange claim to say the least.

They are crafted in such a way as to be worn loose-fitting.

So what? Baggy trousers are designed to be baggy but if you described someone as wearing baggy trousers you wouldn’t be describing a specific pair. Just that they were baggy. They could have been of numerous different materials, styles and colours. How can you not understand this?

The fact that vast numbers of sailors in the nineteenth century wore loose jackets, that Lawende said the suspect wore a loose jacket, and the fact that Lawende said that the man had the appearance of a sailor, are obviously interconnected.

Absolute nonsense. Again……’loose’ describes the fitting not the style.

I suggest that is obvious to anyone with an open mind.

Anyone with a mind, open or closed, can see that you’re utterly wrong.

I suppose that I’m lying about not being able to see the photographs? All I can see is a massive gap. Try posting them again.

No response on the ‘salt and pepper’ thing? I’m not surprised that you’re trying to distance yourself from that one. You should do the same with the above. Save at least a bit of face.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I don’t know if it’s just me, but there are no photographs shown on my screen. Just blank spaces.

Lets get real here. A ‘loose jacket’ is not a description of a type of jacket in any shape, way or form. It is simply the description of the jackets fit. If I’d seen you and told someone: “ I saw PI and he was wearing a loose fitting jacket,” do you think that they could have gone away and produced the same type of jacket that you were wearing? Of course not. Not more that I could have found a pair of shoes exactly like yours had I said:”PI was wearing size 10’s.” Please be serious.

You also repeatedly, and I do mean repeatedly, claimed that sailors were known to have worn ‘salt and pepper’ jackets. I challenged you to produce one iota of evidence for this.

You haven’t. Of course.

I would be interested to know whether other members can see the illustrations I uploaded.

I can see all 13.

The illustrations show loose-fitting jackets.

They are not buttoned at the front and most of them are so loose that it would obviously have been impossible to button them up.

They are crafted in such a way as to be worn loose-fitting.

The fact that vast numbers of sailors in the nineteenth century wore loose jackets, that Lawende said the suspect wore a loose jacket, and the fact that Lawende said that the man had the appearance of a sailor, are obviously interconnected.

I suggest that is obvious to anyone with an open mind.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Sailors wore waist-length, loose jackets which were open at the front, and silk neckerchiefs.

(PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1)

Strange then that I’ve looked at around 100 photographs to date of Victorian sailors and not one of them was wearing a loose jacket.

(Herlock Shomes)


Strange then that when I looked at the illustrations on a specialist website dealing with sailors' dress in the nineteenth century, most showed them with waist-length, loose jackets which were open at the front, exactly as I had described them:

I don’t know if it’s just me, but there are no photographs shown on my screen. Just blank spaces.

Lets get real here. A ‘loose jacket’ is not a description of a type of jacket in any shape, way or form. It is simply the description of the jackets fit. If I’d seen you and told someone: “ I saw PI and he was wearing a loose fitting jacket,” do you think that they could have gone away and produced the same type of jacket that you were wearing? Of course not. Not more that I could have found a pair of shoes exactly like yours had I said:”PI was wearing size 10’s.” Please be serious.

You also repeatedly, and I do mean repeatedly, claimed that sailors were known to have worn ‘salt and pepper’ jackets. I challenged you to produce one iota of evidence for this.

You haven’t. Of course.