Why Buck's Row?

[Darryl Kenyon]

Maybe she was going to or from nearby Whitechapel station trying to pick a client up, or to find somewhere within the building to sleep for the night. Could you enter/exit the station from nearby Winthrop St ?

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Elamarna;426644]

I agree Pierre,

It is just a possible reason why Nichols was in Bucks Row. The Question in the thread.
According to that report the POLICE believed it was a place where prostitutes went. That does not mean they are correct of course, only that they believed it to be so.

And this means the area was an area where there would be an expectancy of finding that specific type of woman.

And that means that the area was important for the killer.

It seems that night at least Nichols was working, and a reason why she may have ended up in Bucks Row.

And whatever she was doing there, in that particular street, she was out in the streets at night in Whitechapel.

One has to say that the tendency shown by Mrs Green, which basically amounts to her saying this is a nice street, no women working round here, motive to make the area appear better, can be seen as being just a tad over the top.

That is a very good source critical analysis. You point to the tendency and explain it with the motive. In this case you think as an historian.

Given the comment in the report, it cannot be ruled out that she took someone there has it was a placed used for such activity. However it's not something I would spend too much time debating.

Yes, and I agree with you, it is not something to spend time on debating. It is irrelevant what she did. The relevant question is what type of woman she was. The killer only had to see her to understand that.

On your final point, who knows? You obviously think you do, I await details patiently.

Steve

Yes, but it is easy to see what the killer saw. You only have to look at pictures of that type of woman from the time period, or read about them in the newspapers from the time, and you will see what he saw.

This type of woman was not everywhere and not as frequent anywhere as in Whitechapel. In Whitechapel there was a high chance of finding this type of woman. It was actually guaranteed.

Pierre

[Elamarna]

[QUOTE=Pierre;426646]

And this means the area was an area where there would be an expectancy of finding that specific type of woman.

And that means that the area was important for the killer.



And whatever she was doing there, in that particular street, she was out in the streets at night in Whitechapel.



That is a very good source critical analysis. You point to the tendency and explain it with the motive. In this case you think as an historian.



Yes, and I agree with you, it is not something to spend time on debating. It is irrelevant what she did. The relevant question is what type of woman she was. The killer only had to see her to understand that.



Yes, but it is easy to see what the killer saw. You only have to look at pictures of that type of woman from the time period, or read about them in the newspapers from the time, and you will see what he saw.

This type of woman was not everywhere and not as frequent anywhere as in Whitechapel. In Whitechapel there was a high chance of finding this type of woman. It was actually guaranteed.

Pierre

Straying off topic, that does not tell us why he sought this type of women?
If he sought a particular type of women, what was the significance of this type? What was his motive?

Steve

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

There was access from Winthrop Street to Bucks Row via Brown's Yard.

Polly Nichols was found in Bucks Row outside the gates of Brown's Yard.

The gates to Brown's Yard opened inwards.

Regards,

Simon

[MrBarnett]

Hi All,

There was access from Winthrop Street to Bucks Row via Brown's Yard.

Polly Nichols was found in Bucks Row outside the gates of Brown's Yard.

The gates to Brown's Yard opened inwards.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

Was there access from Brown's Yard into the 'Stores' on Winthrop Street?

Gary

[Simon Wood]

Hi Gary,

The 'Stores' were part of Brown's Yard.

It's something worth bearing in mind.

That's all.

Regards,

Simon

[MrBarnett]

Hi Gary,

The 'Stores' were part of Brown's Yard.

It's something worth bearing in mind.

That's all.

Regards,

Simon

Thanks, Simon. I wasn't aware that was the case.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Elamarna;426647]

Straying off topic, that does not tell us why he sought this type of women?
If he sought a particular type of women, what was the significance of this type? What was his motive?

Steve

All of the victims belong to this type, with or without being part of a history of crime.

Pierre

[Simon Wood]

Hi Pierre,

We have been told repeatedly that "all of the victims belong to this type," that they were a certain type of woman.

But it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

Regards,

Simon

[Herlock Sholmes]

How can we know that the fact they they were prositutes wasn't the main reason he targeted them? Why couldn't he have been 'down on whores...?' We surely can't be 100% certain of his motive?

[John G]

Hi Pierre,

We have been told repeatedly that "all of the victims belong to this type," that they were a certain type of woman.

But it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

That's because it's not true.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

None of the police recognised any the C5 as known prostitutes [although Walter Dew claimed to have known Kelly].

And none of the C5 had rap sheets for soliciting.

Let's start there.

Regards,

Simon

[Pierre]

Hi All,

None of the police recognised any the C5 as known prostitutes [although Walter Dew claimed to have known Kelly].

And none of the C5 had rap sheets for soliciting.

Let's start there.

Regards,

Simon

I agree.

Pierre

[Herlock Sholmes]

I assume then that Annie Chapman was in a strange back yard in the wee small hours discussing the architecture?
Or Polly Nichols saying that she was going to get her doss money in the early hours meant that she was off to a cash machine?
Or Stride, if memory serves, being registered as a prostitute in Sweden. Why would she change her habits when living in a cess-pit like Whitechapel?
Surely it's obvious that these women, along with thousands of others earned money from prostitution out of sheer desperation?
Even if they weren't (or only resorted to prostitution at the they're lowest ebb) the fact that they were out, possibly drunk, in the early hours might lead a killer who hated prostitutes to assume that they were.

[Elamarna]

[QUOTE=Pierre;426658]

All of the victims belong to this type, with or without being part of a history of crime.

Pierre

That is not the question I asked you Piere.

Why was this type of woman significant to the killer?


Steve