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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View PostI'm struggling to find a Devonshire St in the area too. There's the one near to where Lechmere lived, but that's a fair distance away....
Is there a more local one Sam?
Devonshire Street:
A small street leading southwards off Commercial Road several hundred yards east of Berner Street, (a little south of the London Hospital, and almost opposite Sidney Street
It`s not there anymore
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Originally posted by DJA View PostStride's inquest.
Anyone find this particular Devonshire Street on a map?
I know Berner Street and Batty Street.
Kidney and Stride are reported to also have resided at 33 Dorset Street,next to the Blue Coat Boy pub.
Is there a more local one Sam?
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostCan we be sure about that? (Not saying you're wrong, just asking for a source.)
At any rate, it is a fact that Stride and Kidney had lived together in Devonshire Street between 1885 and 1887, and both would have been very familiar with the neighbourhood. And not just Kidney, either. That's the only salient point here; namely, that the area around Berner Street (Devonshire St, Batty St, Greenfield St) was home to a number of Ripper suspects.
Given your interest in connections, you might like to pursue this avenue of enquiry, as it would appear to be a little more promising than trying to shoe-horn all the victims into Dorset Street.
Anyone find this particular Devonshire Street on a map?
I know Berner Street and Batty Street.
Kidney and Stride are reported to also have resided at 33 Dorset Street,next to the Blue Coat Boy pub.
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Originally posted by YomRippur View PostShe is definitely the most likely non-canonical victim. The type of victim, the proximity in location, the proximity to the date of the Nichols murder, the relative rarity of murders back then, the ferocity of the attack (albeit in different MO), and the fact that this murder fits into the progression of a fledgling killer, all make her a likely victim.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostBarely, if at all. Certainly beyond recovery, given that he seems to have attacked "all the vital parts", to coin a phrase
Possibly but, like I said earlier, after 38 frenzied stabs in quick succession, why should he have confined himself to a single blow with a second weapon? Why not 37 more?
Why not 37 more?
Because she is now dead, or he`s knackered and spent, or, like the Ripper, he knew not to hang around too long.
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Originally posted by DJA View PostTom is wrong.
38 Dorset Street.
At any rate, it is a fact that Stride and Kidney had lived together in Devonshire Street between 1885 and 1887, and both would have been very familiar with the neighbourhood. And not just Kidney, either. That's the only salient point here; namely, that the area around Berner Street (Devonshire St, Batty St, Greenfield St) was home to a number of Ripper suspects.
Given your interest in connections, you might like to pursue this avenue of enquiry, as it would appear to be a little more promising than trying to shoe-horn all the victims into Dorset Street.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostHe might have taken up lodgings in Thrawl Street in 1888, but that doesn't contradict what I said, namely that Kidney was still resident in Devonshire Street in 1889. As Tom's article says:
"In June of 1889, Kidney was still living at 36 Devonshire Street, the last address he had shared with Liz."
There was evidently an association between Michael Kidney and that location, which was a very short walk away from Berner Street itself.
38 Dorset Street.
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Originally posted by Jon Guy View PostYou agree that Martha could have still been alive after the 38 stabs with the pen knife?Then we have the long bladed knife wound to the heart, killing her.
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Originally posted by DJA View PostOriginally posted by DJAKidney was at 12 Thrawl Street in 1889.
http://www.casebook.org/dissertation...ng-kidney.html
"In June of 1889, Kidney was still living at 36 Devonshire Street, the last address he had shared with Liz."
There was evidently an association between Michael Kidney and that location, which was a very short walk away from Berner Street itself.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post. After stabbing the body 38 times with one weapon, why should he not have gone equally haywire with the other, instead of contenting himself with a solitary blow to the chest?
You agree that Martha could have still been alive after the 38 stabs with the pen knife?
Then we have the long bladed knife wound to the heart, killing her.
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