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  • corey123
    Inspector
    • Nov 2009
    • 1472
    #1

    New York. 1891

    Hi all,

    Does anyone know where I can find a map of New York from the time of Carry Browns death?

    Or any photos of the area, again around her death?

    Many thanks.
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon
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    • corey123
      Inspector
      • Nov 2009
      • 1472
      #2
      I am sure someone here must have a map of New York from 1891?

      Thanks
      Washington Irving:

      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

      Stratford-on-Avon

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        • DVV
          Suspended
          • Apr 2008
          • 6014
          #3
          Hi Corey,

          I'm sure I have none.
          And don't want any.

          Amitiés,
          David

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            • corey123
              Inspector
              • Nov 2009
              • 1472
              #4
              Hi David,

              Thanks for letting me know.

              Yours truly
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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                • corey123
                  Inspector
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1472
                  #5
                  This is the only, cannot realy call it a map, but a map of New York.
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                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                    • Chris Scott
                      Chief Inspector
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1853
                      #6
                      The link below should be worth a look regarding 19th century maps of New York

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                      http://www.stonybrook.edu/libmap/nypath4.htm

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                        • corey123
                          Inspector
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 1472
                          #7
                          Hi Chris,

                          Thanks alot.
                          Washington Irving:

                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                            • corey123
                              Inspector
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1472
                              #8
                              News

                              Here are some news articals featuring "Old Shakespears" death.
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                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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                                • corey123
                                  Inspector
                                  • Nov 2009
                                  • 1472
                                  #9
                                  Just for reference, I still want to see any maps or photos from New York city in 1891 and surrounding dates.

                                  Thanks
                                  Washington Irving:

                                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                                    • Roy Corduroy
                                      Chief Inspector
                                      • Mar 2008
                                      • 1654
                                      #10
                                      Thanks for the articles, Corey.

                                      Try this link for a map. It's the fourth ward in 1891. You should be able to zoom in and go to the southeast corner of Water St and Catherine Slip. To the right of the Brooklyn Bridge approach.

                                      Pl. 3: wards 2, 4, 7.
                                      http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~26422~1110275:Part-of-wards-2,-4-&-7,-New-York-Ci
                                      The image is a lithographed atlas map titled "Part of Wards 2, 4 & 7, New York City," created by George Washington Bromley and Walter Scott Bromley in 1891. The map measures 77 cm in width and 52 cm in height and was published by G.W. Bromley & Co. This map is part of a city atlas, specifically marked as "Plate 3."Composition and Medium: The map is a detailed lithograph, hand-colored to distinguish various elements. The use of vibrant colors, such as pink for buildings and blue for water, provides a clear visual differentiation between different types of structures and geographical features. The map’s intricate engraving and printing were executed by Rudolph Spiel and Frederick Bourquin, respectively.Subject Matter: This map covers a specific section of Manhattan, New York City, bounded by Liberty Street, Maiden Lane, South Street, Market Street, Division Street, Park Row, and William Street. It includes significant landmarks such as the Brooklyn Bridge, visible in the upper left section. The map provides detailed information on building construction materials, number of stories, house numbers, and uses or occupants. It also shows water mains with sizes, sewer lines, old farm lines with owner names, and historical water courses.Notable Features: - Brooklyn Bridge: A key landmark on the map, it represents an important connection between Manhattan and Brooklyn and is indicative of the era’s engineering advancements. - Fulton Market: Located near the East River, this market was historically significant for trade and commerce in the area. - Franklin Square: An area marked on the map, highlighting historical urban planning and public spaces. - Wharves and Docks: Illustrated along the East River, these features underscore the importance of maritime trade to New York City’s economy during this period.Cultural and Historical Context: The map dates back to a period of rapid urbanization and industrialization in New York City. The late 19th century was a time when the city was expanding, and infrastructure developments like the Brooklyn Bridge were pivotal. The map’s detailed depiction of building materials and utilities reflects the growing concerns for fire safety and urban planning in the wake of several catastrophic urban fires in the 19th century.Style: The cartographic style is typical of the late 19th century, focusing on precision and utility. The use of color is not merely aesthetic but functional, aiding in the quick interpretation of the map’s data. The map is scaled at 1:1,800, allowing for detailed representation of the urban environment.Significance: - Urban Planning: The map serves as a historical document showcasing the urban layout and planning of Manhattan during the late 1800s. - Fire Insurance: Part of its purpose was likely related to fire insurance, aiding insurance companies in assessing risks based on building materials and proximity to water sources. - Historical Insight: Provides insights into the socio-economic landscape of New York City, reflecting the distribution of residential, commercial, and public spaces.Publication Details: - Publisher: G.W. Bromley and Co. - Publication Type: City Atlas - Pub List No: 4253.000 - List No: 4253.004In summary, this map is a valuable historical artifact that captures the intricacies of New York City's urban fabric at a critical time in its development. It combines aesthetic detail with practical information, reflecting the city's growth and the technological advancements of the period.


                                      Roy

                                      ps let me know if that doesn't work and I'll just snag it and put it up.
                                      Sink the Bismark

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                                        • corey123
                                          Inspector
                                          • Nov 2009
                                          • 1472
                                          #11
                                          Hello Roy,

                                          Thank you, it does work, and I appriciate it, and your welcome.

                                          Many thanks!

                                          Well worth the wait, have a good evening.
                                          Washington Irving:

                                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                                            • Roy Corduroy
                                              Chief Inspector
                                              • Mar 2008
                                              • 1654
                                              #12
                                              Easst River Hotel

                                              Simple map shows the location near the East River slips.
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                                              1891 Closeup of corner of Catharine at Water St.
                                              Notice the "market" in the middle of Catharine.
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                                              View from the north With ships in the backgound.
                                              Location of East River Hotel pointed out.
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                                              Sink the Bismark

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                                                • sdreid
                                                  Commissioner
                                                  • Feb 2008
                                                  • 4956
                                                  #13
                                                  Wasn't Brown staying in room #31? If so, do we know where it was in the building? I would guess that it was on the floor just visible above the roof of the market. Perhaps I'm totally off.
                                                  This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                                                  Stan Reid

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                                                    • corey123
                                                      Inspector
                                                      • Nov 2009
                                                      • 1472
                                                      #14
                                                      Hello Roy,

                                                      Many thanks indeed, I truly appriciate these.

                                                      Stan,

                                                      I don't know, however Wolf Vanderlinden, if still around, probably knows.

                                                      I know Ben Ali A.K.A "frenchy" lived at No.33

                                                      Edit: Stan, yes she lived at No.31

                                                      Last Edit: From the New York Affair Part-One- Vanderlinden:

                                                      The reporters were able to freely interview witnesses, such as Miniter, and were allowed to tramp over the crime scene and examine all of the other rooms on the fifth floor. Outside of Room No. 31 they were either shown, or found themselves, two pieces of blood evidence. A bowl of bloody water, as if someone had washed blood off their hands, was discovered in Room No. 32 (this was never explained nor linked to the murder) and blood was found on the scuttle, or small trap door, leading to the roof of the building. As no one had seen “C. Kniclo” exit from the hotel it was supposed that he had escaped to the roof and from there either climbed down or entered the adjoining building from which he exited.
                                                      Last edited by corey123; 01-23-2011, 02:01 AM.
                                                      Washington Irving:

                                                      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                                      Stratford-on-Avon

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                                                        • corey123
                                                          Inspector
                                                          • Nov 2009
                                                          • 1472
                                                          #15
                                                          From the Evening Post, Volume XLI, Issue 115, 16 May 1891, Page 2

                                                          Also seen in the Star, May 16, 1891

                                                          Also, the Feilding Star, May 16, under the title of "The New York "Jack the Ripper"
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                                                          Last edited by corey123; 01-24-2011, 01:15 AM.
                                                          Washington Irving:

                                                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                                          Stratford-on-Avon

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