New York. 1891

[sdreid]

I notice there are no women posting on this thread.

[corey123]

Hello Wolf,

Not helping me with a request per se, just helping me visualize the area in which Brown was murdered.

Stan,

Well noted.

Corey

[Roy Corduroy]

Good afternoon Corey,

I suggest the site of The Museum of the City of New York, Collections. (click here) Then choose Search and type Lower East Side in the search box. You will access a thousand old photographs, including those by Jacob Riis.

Roy

[Roy Corduroy]

East River Hotel - corrected

Simple map shows location near the East River Slips


1891 map. Hotel address was 14 Catharine Slip at the corner of Water Street in the Fourth Ward.
Green line is ward boundary. Note the "market"


Old sketch of the market looking from the opposite end, with ships in background. The East River Hotel is not pictured, but is just out of view to your right. Buildings above market are in the Seventh Ward.


The view today. The market area is now Catharine Mall, a pedestrian island. The large building on the right is # XII Alfred E Smith Houses, and stands on the location of the old East River Hotel.

[sdreid]

Thanks Roy. Does the area have any particular ethnic make up today?

[Roy Corduroy]

Sure Stan, today the neighborhood is diverse.

[Errata]

Sure Stan, today the neighborhood is diverse.

Is there a website that breaks down racial configuration by zip code?

god bless the internet... I can't imagine ever needing it, but if it exists I want it!

[D'Onston]

Demographic Data

Hey Errata,

If you are thinking of the U.S., the place to find all sorts of demographic data is at http://www.census.gov/. The list of tools shown on the home page will give you any number of ways to analyze the data: by zip code, ethnicity, occupation, etc.

Hope this suites your needs.

Best Wishes, Mike

[Roy Corduroy]

Catharine vicinity rooftops

From the Blue Book of 1910


Note 27 Bridgeport Line. Hotel location nearby. Hard to pinpoint at an angle. from 1915

[Roy Corduroy]

4 blocks down



The Bridge Cafe at 279 Water Street in the Fourth Ward, built in 1794.
Oldest saloon in town. Read about it...(here)

[Roy Corduroy]

The previous photo, of Bridge Cafe, is in a small portion of the Fourth Ward below Brooklyn Bridge and near the South Street Seaport Museum. In this area a little bit of old New York is preserved.

Otherwise, the Fourth Ward above the bridge was all bulldozed in the 1950's to erect public housing.

Roy

[Roy Corduroy]

Manhattan's Fourth Ward Then and Now


Hotel at arrow


Alfred E Smith Houses

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Possibly "arrow where hotel once stood"?

By 1907 the East River Hotel was no longer a hotel. At some point it was joined to the building next door to make a "double tenement house" and numbered 14 - 16 Catharine Slip. In November, 1907, the building was condemned and its inhabitants removed. After this it seems to disappear from the newspaper record.

However by December, 1909, the property at 16 Catharine Slip was part of a legal action involving a contested will. This seems to suggest that #16 was no longer joined as a "double tenement house" to #14 and that, perhaps, #14 had indeed been torn down by this time.

Wolf.

[Roy Corduroy]

Historic Site

the Fourth Ward above the bridge was all bulldozed in the 1950's to erect public housing.

Correction, almost all. A small portion near New Bowery remains.




Sites on the 1891 map still there today - St James, where Al Smith was an altar boy,
Baptist Mariners, now an African American church

and this cemetery (circled) on the National Register of Historic Places





Marker denotes the gravesite of a Revolutionary War Veteran

Happy Presidents Day,
Roy

[cappuccina]

A couple of things:

1. This is also an excellent resource; you can search the catalogue for, e.g., mManhattan, 1891, etc., or whatever borough or wards you wish...

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/view/search?QuickSearchA=QuickSearchA&q=manhattan+1891+&sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSortCPub_DateCPub_List_NoCSeries_No

2. Small map of NYC from 1891:

http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/3500/3534/3534.htm

3. For Stan, for saying no women were posting on this thread...The seamy side of NYC...circa 1871...*wink*

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/on-the-records-a-well-preserved-roadmap-to-perdition/?scp=1&sq=new%20york%20brothel&st=cse