Limerick, the Key?

[Debra A]

Oh, for certain they did, quite true., or more correctly the papers bought the same stories from the same agencies. Some papers also modified these stories.
I'm interested in where the London version is. The implication in the wording is that this story originated in London.

Regards, Jon S.

The story appears in the London Standard of the same date and has been discussed before, although the friends are not mentioned in that version. The Standard goes on to say the funeral was postponed again because of the family not arriving.

[lynn cates]

Oh, brothers!

Hello Dave. I'll copy and paste the snippet below.

Cheers.
LC

"She said she had one sister, who was respectable, who travelled from market place to market place. This sister was very fond of her. There were six brothers living in London, and one was in the army. One of them was named Henry. I never saw the brothers to my knowledge."

[Cogidubnus]

I'm interested in where the London version is. The implication in the wording is that this story originated in London.

As you surmise Jon, that would be very interesting!

Hello Dave. If you like newspaper stories, try "The Daily Telegraph" for 13 November. They have the siblings living in London.

Hi Lynn...REALLY?...good grief...

All the best

Dave

[Wickerman]

Hi Jon

I think the papers shared agency circulated stories,

Oh, for certain they did, quite true., or more correctly the papers bought the same stories from the same agencies. Some papers also modified these stories.
I'm interested in where the London version is. The implication in the wording is that this story originated in London.

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

London

Hello Dave. If you like newspaper stories, try "The Daily Telegraph" for 13 November. They have the siblings living in London.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Jon

I think the papers shared agency circulated stories, hence the similarities between certain stories worldwide...this was/is a newspapers lazy way of filling space (vide the Central News Agency)...It's discussed in a number of places, but I seem to remember seeing it mentioned in Paul Beggs JtR The Facts...I may be wrong but I seem to recall it in connection with Leather Apron (I may be wrong there though...it's been a while)...

All the best

Dave

[Wickerman]

You might be right Dave, but to what end?
A local London paper might find some mileage out of such a story, but way up in Manchester?, who would care?
If someone was going to invent a false story, wouldn't they include a tad more detail?

The more we learn, the less we know....

Regards, Jon S.
P.S.
If "they" were expected in London, who was expecting them? and where is the London version of this?

[Cogidubnus]

Relatives & friends

Hi Scott/Jon

I think the newspapers made up the whole cloth here...I've nowhere seen any verified accounts that offer any credence whatever to relatives turning up, or even expected to be turning up...and in his book "Will the real Mary Kelly...?" neither, it would appear, has Chris Scott, (who has to be just about THE authority on MJKs life). IMHO totally press speculation...

All the best

Dave

PS I've just checked and it's discussed briefly in Chapter 9 of Chris's book

[Wickerman]

"...The relatives of the murdered woman, who were expected in London yesterday, have not yet arrived. The deceased had been of late years a cause of great trouble to her friends, who would not be anxious to put themselves to any trouble on her account..."

Manchester Evening News, November 15, 1888

Stunning!
No mention of where they came from, or which relatives were being expected?
This does tend to suggest the authorities did locate someone.
Why the switch from 'relatives' to 'friends'? Who are these friends who are no longer anxious about her that the article makes reference to?
Were they the 'cousins' that she talked about?

The story that her father came looking for her in Pennington St. (whom she made efforts to avoid?) suggested to me it might have been due to her 'wayward' habits.

Curiouser and curiouser...

Thankyou Scott.
Regards, Jon

[Scott Nelson]

"...The relatives of the murdered woman, who were expected in London yesterday, have not yet arrived. The deceased had been of late years a cause of great trouble to her friends, who would not be anxious to put themselves to any trouble on her account..."

Manchester Evening News, November 15, 1888

[lynn cates]

names

Hello Debs. Thanks.

Wonder if "The Echo" has any names for the RIC chaps at Miller's court?

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Thanks very much, Lynn.
I think it's happening to others too (Richard earlier I think). I knew you had posted something new but couldn't read it until just now!
I'll check those out with the things I mentioned. See if any members of the RIC stretched their jollies out from the end of October until the middle of November.

[lynn cates]

I hate computers

Hello Debs. Oh, NOW they show up. (That's why I'm a neo-Luddite.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

R I C

Hello Debs. Just found a Bernard O'Malley, RIC, who testified on 30 October and again 1 November. Irwin also testified then.

On 7 November we have a Welsh and Barry. Barry began testimony the day before.

Any good?

(I've posted this twice before, but does not show up. Suppose the bloody machine is being stubborn. Third time's . . .)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

R I C

Hello (again) Debs. Just found a Bernard O'Malley, RIC, who testified on 30 October and again 1 November. Irwin also testified then.

On 7 November we have a Welsh and Barry. Barry began testimony the day before.

Any good?

Cheers.
LC