The Cachous

[lynn cates]

unsettling

Hello John. Thanks.

OK. Whatever unsettled her came between the cachous coming out and her turning 180 and exiting. It also caused her NOT to insert one.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

kiss

Hello Jon.

"Marshall doesn't say that he didn't see a flower, he says, "she did not have a flower on her breast"."

You deserve a kiss for that. Well . . .

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

proper direction

Hello Gwyneth.

"Twists scarf tight, she passes out"

Just twisting her scarf would NOT have allowed a change in knot direction. Also, after he had let go, the scarf would NOT be tighter.

To move the knot to the left and to tighten would require:

1. a pull on one tail of a slip knot

and

2. a motion in the proper direction

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

body position

Hello Errata. Thanks.

"Frankly I think we need to work backward. Start from how she was found"

Precisely! This I have tried to do.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

against building

Hello Abby.Thanks for that. Sorry to cause so much work.

"She now has acquiesced to have sex so she takes the caschous out as they enter the yard."

OK. So far, so good.

"She positions herself with her back against the wall facing him."

OK. But she was found to the west of the opened back gate. Would you expect BEHIND the gate to have been better?"

"He suddenly goes for the throat as per his usual MO grasping her scarf, choking her with that as he lowers/forces her to the ground."

Here, I believe, is the fly in the ointment. Does he grab with the right or left hand? Recall, your scenario requires her to be facing him and looking south.

If left (rare), he is pulling to his right. If she turns with the pull, her left side should be flush against the building. He is awkwardly holding her with his left hand against the building--completely across his body.

But if with the right (majority), the pull should be right to left (to avoid pinning his hand between the building and her head. In this case, the knot would be tight and to HIS left--her right.

Make sense?

Cheers.
LC

[John G]

Hello John. Thanks.

"She takes out the cachous to help her relax after the incident witnessed by Schwartz, and also to freshen her breath prior to entering the club."

But would she not face west just before entering the club?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

It does appear that Stride was attacked whilst exiting the Yard. I believe that if she entered with her killer, something must have unsettled her; she therefore changes her mind, turns around and heads for the exit. Her killer, perhaps caught off guard initially, quickly responds; he follows her out, catching her from behind before she reaches the gates.

[lynn cates]

seeking entrance

Hello CD.

"But the question is what are they going to do in the yard that they couldn't do in the street?"

I presume, enter the club. The front door was locked.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

west

Hello John. Thanks.

"She takes out the cachous to help her relax after the incident witnessed by Schwartz, and also to freshen her breath prior to entering the club."

But would she not face west just before entering the club?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello c.d.

As I've pointed out in other posts, if he suggests that the incident witnessed by Schwartz was an accident, and if BS man was the same as Marshall's man, he can get Stride into the Yard by offering to take her to the club for a drink, i.e by way of apology, and so she can enjoy the singing and music. There was a side door, which was used by both Lave and Eagle. He could therefore have told Stride that they needed to enter the Yard in order to access the club via the side door.

I do agree that the Marshall suspect resembles BS-man, superficially at least, but the woman seen by Marshall at 11:45 pm may not have been Stride. Marshall doesn't say that he didn't see a flower, he says, "she did not have a flower on her breast".

Stride was already wearing the flower, a dahlia, at 11:00 pm, when at the Bricklayer's Arms.

[Errata]

Hi Errata,

Well, I think that demonstrates the marks were not caused by her killer unless, of course, she was murdered by her bra strap!

I've had some wily bra straps in my day, but in the end they know who's boss.

[Wickerman]

Hello C4,

No, I think it's highly relevant. Dr Phillips clearly thought that the faint marks were caused by the killer grabbing hold of her shoulders. If she was propelled backwards several feet into the Yard, and failed to break her fall, instead opting to hold onto the cachous, you would surely have expected significant injuries- she may have even been knocked unconscious! But, as Dr Phillips said, there were no abrasions of any kind.

Bear in mind, Annie Chapman had similar bruising on the front of her chest.

[harry]

I believe that too much attention is given to Dutfield Yard,as having some special meaning.My opinion is that Stride was the woman that was seen by Brown, who left the male she was with just after Brown left.She then goes into Berner street and had reached the gate entrance when BS approaches,followed by Schwartz.

[John G]

Hi Errata,

Well, I think that demonstrates the marks were not caused by her killer unless, of course, she was murdered by her bra strap!

[Errata]

Hello C4,

No, I think it's highly relevant. Dr Phillips clearly thought that the faint marks were caused by the killer grabbing hold of her shoulders. If she was propelled backwards several feet into the Yard, and failed to break her fall, instead opting to hold onto the cachous, you would surely have expected significant injuries- she may have even been knocked unconscious! But, as Dr Phillips said, there were no abrasions of any kind.

But that's impossible. Pressure marks are made by constant pressure over time. Like the marks bra straps make on the shoulders. He'd have to have his hands on her shoulders for like, and hour or more to leave any mark at all.

[John G]

Hello C4. Not sure if I've misunderstood, but as he tries to pull her into the street he's clearly moving her further away from the yard. How does she end up in the Yard? If he pushes her, after moving her towards the street, that's going to be a significant distance, so he must have pushed with some force. I don't see how she avoids significantly injuries. I think it highly likely she would have dropped the cachous. And, as I've noted, I'm sure Mrs D would have heard if she screamed in the yard

If he moves her towards the yard before pushing, why didn't she struggle or cry out whilst he's doing this? How does she end up with her feet facing the gate? If he pulls her towards the street, she's facing the street. If he turns her around, she's facing the Yard. So how does she end up facing the street?