The Cachous

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

I agree that her reaction be be precisely as you described.

Hi Lynn.

Right, so she grasps at her throat with both hands, which suggests the cachous would not be in her hand at this time, so where were they?

Stride had no pockets in her jacket, if the cachous were hers then she had to keep them somewhere.
Possibly, she had this packet of cachous up her sleeve, a common place for women to tuck tissues or small items when they have no pockets.

This is why the packet was found between the fingers of her left hand, they slipped out from under her cuff and lodged between the thumb and forefinger.

...I should think the knot would be located at about 10.00 o'clock--given her Adam's Apple were 12.00.

At the front?
Ah, 60 degrees of separation betwixed thine & mine.
I can't imagine Stride being attacked from her front, and still be laid down so close, merely inches away from the wall.

[DJA]

her Adam's Apple

LC

Right you two!

This getting sillier!

[lynn cates]

time for a knot

Hello Jon. Thanks.

I agree that her reaction be be precisely as you described.

I should think the knot would be located at about 10.00 o'clock--given her Adam's Apple were 12.00.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

Being members of a Jewish Socialist club,Yiddish could have been a common language.

Hello DJA

Do we know that Schwartz a) was a club member and b) was Jewish? I don't think that Hungarian Jews suffered the same persecution as, say, Russian Jews at the time. Saying he looked Jewish isn't always proof positive. Having checked as well as I can, I don't think Eagle was Jewish. Good point though.

Best wishes
C4

[DJA]

I don't think a Russian and a Hungarian could chat together with ease.

C4

Being members of a Jewish Socialist club,Yiddish could have been a common language.

[DJA]

Her Adams Apple

Again with the fruit!

Grapes,fruit juice on the handkerchiefs......

[Wickerman]

OK. Imagine you are the killer. Have a lady friend stand in front of you against the wall. Go through the motions--in particular, with the scarf.

What do you notice?

Her immediate reaction, to my mind, is to grab at her throat with both hands.

Hello (again) Jon. Thanks.

I presume it was pulled toward the left side and was too tight to have been worn comfortably. I think these facts are what attracted Dr. Blackwell's attention and helped him formulate his hypothesis. (Which, honestly, is the backbone of MY own theory.)

Cheers.
LC

Indeed, but at what point around the circumference of her neck, from her Adams Apple at the front around to her spine at the rear, but on her left side, was this knot/bow located?

If you recall the mark of the cord around the neck of Rose Mylett. The mark was not a complete circle, there was a gap in the mark, just to one side of her spine. This was where his hands crossed and the cord was not in direct contact with the skin.
I would place Stride's "bow" of her scarf in a similar location.

[lynn cates]

left

Hello (again) Jon. Thanks.

I presume it was pulled toward the left side and was too tight to have been worn comfortably. I think these facts are what attracted Dr. Blackwell's attention and helped him formulate his hypothesis. (Which, honestly, is the backbone of MY own theory.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

try it

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"This I believe was how the attack on Stride began, that she was strangled from behind while standing in this position, facing the wall."

OK. Imagine you are the killer. Have a lady friend stand in front of you against the wall. Go through the motions--in particular, with the scarf.

What do you notice?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

... My results were disappointing. (Problem, as usual, was the scarf.)

Yes, ...the position of the scarf.

"The deceased had round her neck a check silk scarf, the bow of which was turned to the left and pulled very tight."

Left of what?

To the left of the spine, as viewed from the rear?
Or, to the right of the Adams Apple (ie; to the left side).

We know from medical accounts that doctors used the body as the reference when talking about "left" or "right", left being left side of the body, etc.

So the bow of the scarf was pulled "to her left side", but slightly left of the spine at the rear, not over her left shoulder.
That is how I interpret the meaning.

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon.

"Given the repose of the body, it has always appeared to me that Stride was standing facing the wall, at which point she was attacked from behind."

I spent a good deal of time a couple years ago trying to get the forensic details to work out like this. My results were disappointing. (Problem, as usual, was the scarf.)

Perhaps you will be luckier. But, in your case, skill, perhaps.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.
We read in various accounts that the most preferred way an unfortunate serviced a client was for them to face, and rest against a wall/fence, leaning forward for support, with the man making entry from the rear.

This I believe was how the attack on Stride began, that she was strangled from behind while standing in this position, facing the wall.
She slowly becomes insensible, and he lowers her down to his left, onto her left side. The throat is sliced on the lower side nearest the ground, the same way we see with previous victims.

The cut to the throat was not immediately lethal, the blood slowly drained away, yet Stride apparently made no attempt to struggle, no flailing of the arms, no wriggling to turn around, no blood on her shoulders or down her front. She only had seconds to live, yet she made no attempt to struggle.

Dr. Blackwell tells us:
"She would have bled to death comparatively slowly on account of vessels on one side only of the neck being cut and the artery not completely severed."

Which indicates to me that she was unconscious at the time her throat was cut.
This, I believe, is why the body appeared so calmly laid down, she was not resisting, and he was being quiet.

[Natasha]

Just a question of her lack of lower teeth. Might be irrelevant but anyway.

The sweets were described as cachous, so I'm going to make the assumption that they were hard liquorice. Would she have trouble eating them? Would someone with a lack of bottom teeth buy sweets that were solid?

[lynn cates]

linguistics

Hello Gwyneth. Quite right. Finno-ugric, Magyar (Hungarian) and Basque are all Dravidian based; ALL other European languages are Indo-European.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

U R L

Hello Errata. Thanks.

Try here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95rqNxxbiM

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

happy

Hello CD. Thanks.

Say, I'm fickle. (heh-heh)

Seriously I have never been happier--we are all FINALLY discussing forensics and trying to make sense of cachous, body position, etc.

Life is good!

Cheers.
LC