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Caz asks:
"Can you not imagine any circumstances in which he might have been unwilling or unable to do more than cut quickly and get the hell out?"
I can imagine situations where he swopped his normal prey and his knife in favour of a method of battering homeless dogs to death with a turnip, Caz. There was never any loss of imagination on my behalf!
This suggestion of mine remains an unsubstantiated one, though, since all the evidence surrounding the four mutilation cases speaks the exact same language on the details that can arguably be seen as important when it comes to establishing what Jack was all about. In none of these cases are we given any reason at all to suspect that we needed to go looking for a turnip-wielder.
Similarly, we are not given any reason to believe that our man would settle for just the odd, shallow(er) cut to the neck every once in a while. Nor are we given any hints at him being easily spooked when at work - if Cadosche heard what most of us think he heard, we are instead dealing with a man that was hellbent on his knife handiwork.
I do not think that we are looking at a small deviation when we compare Stride´s neck wound with the others - I think that we are dealing with something so obviously different that the opening bid must be that it did not tally with the Rippers work at all.
That cut is one very significant difference. But there are very many more differences. And I agree very much with Dave Yosts conclusion that each and every of these mistakes could be accepted as understandable variations taken on their own - but weighed together, they speak a very clear language, and that language tells us that whoever cut Stride, did so in a manner that did not tally with the Ripper, in a venue that did not tally with the Ripper and at a time that did not tally with the Ripper. Moreover, the surrounding circumstances with a witnessed-about attack on Stride at the approximate time she died, of course also urges us to realize that this was something totally different from a Ripper deed - it was a public affair, more or less.
When all of this is assessed, I think there is no need for imagining anything about a man who quite possibly had not even taken to the streets at the time Stride was cut - since he knew that later hours and deserted streets offered him what he wanted.
Therefore, Caz, the answer to your question:
"would he have checked himself and not gone for this woman’s throat on the grounds that this wasn’t the right place for a slice and dice job, even if it was the right time and she was just the right type?"
...must be divided in two:
A/ It was NOT the right time - it was a time where people were still feasting and singing and coming and leaving the club.
B/ Yes, he WOULD arguably have checked himself under such circumstances. We must assume that he checked himself dozens of times of the day, when he ran into "adequate prey" but under conditions where he obviously would not be afforded seclusion and secrecy.
Have a look at Bela Kiss, Caz - it was said of him that he was the type of man who felt a burning sensation in his stomach every time he saw somebody of the opposite gender, regardless if they were children, ninetyfive years old, beauty queens or drab hags - to him they represented the opposite sex and they made him water at the mouth. Still, he killed only in seclusion - he suppressed that ever-occuring urge every single time when there was a risk at hand that he would be detected - and we are speaking of thousands and thousands of such occasions - and let the tension build up until he was given the right opportunity. And Kiss killed in his Cincota home, Caz - he had the luxury of being able to close the door behind him.
This was not something the Ripper shared with him - his hunting grounds were the open streets, and nobody should be surprised that he favoured the hours of roughly 2 to 5 in the deep night, just as he favoured deserted spots, surrounded by sleeping people.
The best, Caz!
Fisherman
"Can you not imagine any circumstances in which he might have been unwilling or unable to do more than cut quickly and get the hell out?"
I can imagine situations where he swopped his normal prey and his knife in favour of a method of battering homeless dogs to death with a turnip, Caz. There was never any loss of imagination on my behalf!
This suggestion of mine remains an unsubstantiated one, though, since all the evidence surrounding the four mutilation cases speaks the exact same language on the details that can arguably be seen as important when it comes to establishing what Jack was all about. In none of these cases are we given any reason at all to suspect that we needed to go looking for a turnip-wielder.
Similarly, we are not given any reason to believe that our man would settle for just the odd, shallow(er) cut to the neck every once in a while. Nor are we given any hints at him being easily spooked when at work - if Cadosche heard what most of us think he heard, we are instead dealing with a man that was hellbent on his knife handiwork.
I do not think that we are looking at a small deviation when we compare Stride´s neck wound with the others - I think that we are dealing with something so obviously different that the opening bid must be that it did not tally with the Rippers work at all.
That cut is one very significant difference. But there are very many more differences. And I agree very much with Dave Yosts conclusion that each and every of these mistakes could be accepted as understandable variations taken on their own - but weighed together, they speak a very clear language, and that language tells us that whoever cut Stride, did so in a manner that did not tally with the Ripper, in a venue that did not tally with the Ripper and at a time that did not tally with the Ripper. Moreover, the surrounding circumstances with a witnessed-about attack on Stride at the approximate time she died, of course also urges us to realize that this was something totally different from a Ripper deed - it was a public affair, more or less.
When all of this is assessed, I think there is no need for imagining anything about a man who quite possibly had not even taken to the streets at the time Stride was cut - since he knew that later hours and deserted streets offered him what he wanted.
Therefore, Caz, the answer to your question:
"would he have checked himself and not gone for this woman’s throat on the grounds that this wasn’t the right place for a slice and dice job, even if it was the right time and she was just the right type?"
...must be divided in two:
A/ It was NOT the right time - it was a time where people were still feasting and singing and coming and leaving the club.
B/ Yes, he WOULD arguably have checked himself under such circumstances. We must assume that he checked himself dozens of times of the day, when he ran into "adequate prey" but under conditions where he obviously would not be afforded seclusion and secrecy.
Have a look at Bela Kiss, Caz - it was said of him that he was the type of man who felt a burning sensation in his stomach every time he saw somebody of the opposite gender, regardless if they were children, ninetyfive years old, beauty queens or drab hags - to him they represented the opposite sex and they made him water at the mouth. Still, he killed only in seclusion - he suppressed that ever-occuring urge every single time when there was a risk at hand that he would be detected - and we are speaking of thousands and thousands of such occasions - and let the tension build up until he was given the right opportunity. And Kiss killed in his Cincota home, Caz - he had the luxury of being able to close the door behind him.
This was not something the Ripper shared with him - his hunting grounds were the open streets, and nobody should be surprised that he favoured the hours of roughly 2 to 5 in the deep night, just as he favoured deserted spots, surrounded by sleeping people.
The best, Caz!
Fisherman
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