When was Elizabeth Stride actually killed?

[lynn cates]

profundus

Hello Dusty.

"It offers an explanation why the cut was not as clean as others."

And not as deep?

Cheers.
LC

[drstrange169]

Hello Lynn,

Yes, no pleasure, just disposing of a witness fast as possible.

Diemshits was reported as saying the blood was flowing when he looked with the candle so we know the attack was within minutes of that viewing.

[Abby Normal]

About 1a.m. by the tobaconist's time. The murderer was halted by Dimshitz's interloping. The murderer cheesed it and then went on to kill Eddowes. Left the apron and GSG. The message means, this woman is dead because of the Jew's(s') disruption. They are to blame for the second womans death. In the killers head anyways. Is everyone now satiated? Glad to be of service. ; ) Send your checks or money orders to digalittledeeperwatson.com. That doesn't exist so don't do that. PM me and I will instruct you how to pay me. Thanks. Yours sincerely, Mr. Super-right-drunk guy. P.S. By my album when it comes out.

Chuckle.

Ps I like tacos too. I prefer the soft ones.

[Abby Normal]

G'day Abby



While I think it was probably the pony it may also have been just a "gut feeling" that it was time to get out of there, after all he had a pretty good track record of getting away so maybe his instincts were good.

Yup. That too.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Chuckle.

Ps I like tacos too. I prefer the soft ones.

Oh yes, soft is the way to go.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

This.

Hello Lynn,

Yes, no pleasure, just disposing of a witness fast as possible.

Diemshits was reported as saying the blood was flowing when he looked with the candle so we know the attack was within minutes of that viewing.

This is really important, if truthful.

[lynn cates]

witness

Hello Dusty. Thanks.

"just disposing of a witness fast as possible."

Witness to what?

Cheers.
LC

[drstrange169]

Hello Lynn,

Thanks for pointing that out, "witness" was a poor wording choice on my part. Obviously the killer had a reason, albeit not necessarily a sane one.

(I actually have one variant theory that Mrs Stride was murdered because she was a witness, but that's another story;-)

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello Lynn,

Yes, no pleasure, just disposing of a witness fast as possible.

Diemshits was reported as saying the blood was flowing when he looked with the candle so we know the attack was within minutes of that viewing.

Diemshits could not see the wound to her throat from his vantage. What he saw was blood in the gutter, and that gutter had water from the 11:30pm rain in it. It was Edward Spooner who thought she might still have been bleeding, but he moved her head and so naturally, blood pooled in the neck would release and it would appear as bleeding. She was most certainly dead by that point. The best evidence we have puts her murder at about 1am, but the collective evidence isn't what I'd call conclusive.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

theory

Hello Dusty. Thanks.

If you ever care to share . . .

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Hello Lynn,

Thanks for pointing that out, "witness" was a poor wording choice on my part. Obviously the killer had a reason, albeit not necessarily a sane one.

(I actually have one variant theory that Mrs Stride was murdered because she was a witness, but that's another story;-)

I actually thought your initial idea of the ripper cutting her throat to get rid of a witness as possible.

She is a witness to him, who attacked her.

and if you think that the peaked cap man seen with her by various witnesses was the same man, then she spent considerable time with him, maybe knew his name and that when she would not go into a dark alley with him, he physically attacked her.

sounds like she could have been a pretty damming witness after all, no?

[Jeff Leahy]

While I here what you are saying. The most logical conclusion, if Swartz actually witnessed the murder, was that he witnessed a psychotic attack..much more like the type of attacks we today see as spree kiillings. Younge desoffected men attacking their communities or schools..

Jack is a Psychotic

He picks and attacks Stride at Random, apparently.

You are all missing the 'Mind set'

Yours Jeff

[lynn cates]

lecture

Hello Abby.

"Sounds like she could have been a pretty damning witness after all, no?"

No. Unless, of course, the charge were malicious shoving. And, as we all know, that can get you a stern lecture from a beat copper.

Cheers.
LC

[drstrange169]

Hello Tom,

"Diemshits could not see the wound to her throat from his vantage."

I've never seen an account of what exactly his vantage was when he looked with the candle, but he definitely claimed to have seen the cut throat,

"I hurried into the Club to see my "missis." I saw her inside the door, and hurriedly called some of the members of the club, who at once came down. You know what we found, Sir. The poor creature's throat was horribly cut."
(Echo Oct 01)



"...What he saw was blood in the gutter, and that gutter had water from the 11:30pm rain in it..."

Do you have a reference for the gutter being waterlogged? Based just on the evidence I've read, I'd strongly dispute that.



"...It was Edward Spooner who thought she might still have been bleeding, but he moved her head and so naturally, blood pooled in the neck would release and it would appear as bleeding."

I absolutely agree. Mrs Stride would have been well and truly dead by that point and none of the body organs would have been working.



"...The best evidence we have puts her murder at about 1am, but the collective evidence isn't what I'd call conclusive..."

That's a "me too" from ... er... me too.

[drstrange169]

Hello Abby,

I'd be inclined to agree if it wasn't for those damn cachous.

It's so difficult to imagine a scenario where Mrs Stride was thrown around before death and still chose to hold on to breath freshers. Ditto to Jeff's notion.