When was Elizabeth Stride actually killed?

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  • Sam Flynn
    Casebook Supporter
    • Feb 2008
    • 13322

    #121
    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    He could have cut her throat and then taken off at any point from the time he was interrupted by Schwartz to the time he heard the last clop of diemshitz pony.
    ...allowing him enough time to mess her up a whole lot more, I'd have thought. Certainly enough time to nick her eyelids and lop off the tip of her nose, say.
    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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    • Abby Normal
      Commissioner
      • Jun 2010
      • 11905

      #122
      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
      ...allowing him enough time to mess her up a whole lot more, I'd have thought. Certainly enough time to nick her eyelids and lop off the tip of her nose, say.
      Unless he is spooked by something like the pony or noise from the club or some other sound, or simply thought he better take off because of Scwartz.
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • Sam Flynn
        Casebook Supporter
        • Feb 2008
        • 13322

        #123
        Again, Abby, it only takes a second to hack off a piece of nose.

        Possibly the strangest sentence I've typed in a long while
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • Abby Normal
          Commissioner
          • Jun 2010
          • 11905

          #124
          Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
          Again, Abby, it only takes a second to hack off a piece of nose.

          Possibly the strangest sentence I've typed in a long while
          Haha.

          But it also only takes a second to get caught red handed.
          So a second the ripper may have thought he didn't have. And if he was anything, he was good at knowing when to bolt and not get caught red handed.
          "Is all that we see or seem
          but a dream within a dream?"

          -Edgar Allan Poe


          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

          -Frederick G. Abberline

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #125
            wait

            Hello GUT, Dusty. Thanks.

            I mean if he heard the cart and then waited until he turned in . . .

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • GUT
              Commissioner
              • Jan 2014
              • 7841

              #126
              G'day Abby

              Unless he is spooked by something like the pony or noise from the club or some other sound, or simply thought he better take off because of Scwartz
              While I think it was probably the pony it may also have been just a "gut feeling" that it was time to get out of there, after all he had a pretty good track record of getting away so maybe his instincts were good.
              G U T

              There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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              • lynn cates
                Commisioner
                • Aug 2009
                • 13841

                #127
                yes

                Hello Gareth. Thanks.

                Precisely.

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • Sam Flynn
                  Casebook Supporter
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 13322

                  #128
                  Originally posted by GUT View Post
                  While I think it was probably the pony it may also have been just a "gut feeling" that it was time to get out of there, after all he had a pretty good track record of getting away so maybe his instincts were good.
                  Well, his instincts let him down big-time with Stride. All he managed was a scuffle and a cut throat. What with the Schwartz/Pipeman incident and the lively people in the club, he couldn't have picked a worse time or place to embark on a mutilation murder.
                  Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                  "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                  • GUT
                    Commissioner
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 7841

                    #129
                    G'day Sam

                    I was really meaning his instinct, if that's what it was, that it was time to scamper.
                    G U T

                    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                    • Cogidubnus
                      Assistant Commissioner
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 3266

                      #130
                      Sorry folks...I've followed your arguments and am still of the view that it's at least possible that Schwartz saw the opening acts of the murder at approximately 12.45

                      All the best

                      Dave

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                      • Abby Normal
                        Commissioner
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 11905

                        #131
                        Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
                        Sorry folks...I've followed your arguments and am still of the view that it's at least possible that Schwartz saw the opening acts of the murder at approximately 12.45

                        All the best

                        Dave
                        Totally agree.
                        "Is all that we see or seem
                        but a dream within a dream?"

                        -Edgar Allan Poe


                        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                        -Frederick G. Abberline

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                        • drstrange169
                          Superintendent
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 2409

                          #132
                          Hello Gareth,

                          "... inconceivable that he'd only just cut her throat on the "c" of the pony's last "clop"..."

                          Obviously I'd make a better mother because I "conceive" really easily. That the "clip" came just before the "clop" makes perfect sense to me as one possible scenario. It offers an explanation why the cut was not as clean as others. It also answers your question why no nose was nosed. The killer would be killing for survival not "jollies" in this version.
                          dustymiller
                          aka drstrange

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                          • Digalittledeeperwatson
                            Sergeant
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 635

                            #133
                            T.o.d.

                            About 1a.m. by the tobaconist's time. The murderer was halted by Dimshitz's interloping. The murderer cheesed it and then went on to kill Eddowes. Left the apron and GSG. The message means, this woman is dead because of the Jew's(s') disruption. They are to blame for the second womans death. In the killers head anyways. Is everyone now satiated? Glad to be of service. ; ) Send your checks or money orders to digalittledeeperwatson.com. That doesn't exist so don't do that. PM me and I will instruct you how to pay me. Thanks. Yours sincerely, Mr. Super-right-drunk guy. P.S. By my album when it comes out.
                            Last edited by Digalittledeeperwatson; 05-20-2014, 11:59 PM. Reason: I just wanted to say how much I love tacos.
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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #134
                              Schwartz

                              Hello Abby.

                              "He could have cut her throat and then taken off at any point from the time he was interrupted by Schwartz"

                              But Schwartz reported no throat cutting--only a fracas on the pavement.

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • lynn cates
                                Commisioner
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 13841

                                #135
                                possible

                                Hello Dave.

                                "I've followed your arguments and am still of the view that it's at least possible that Schwartz saw the opening acts of the murder at approximately 12.45"

                                Of course. But she would need to:

                                1. go into the yard

                                2. calm down enough to go for the cachous

                                3. allow her assailant to get behind her

                                Cheers.
                                LC

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