Which Schwartz interpretation is acurate ?

[lynn cates]

police thinking

Hello CD. Thanks.

"Well my heart leaps when you agree that the B.S. man was not her killer but then you always go on that Schwartz must have therefore lied so I guess we are even."

Actually, I say that IF the tale is true, BS killed her--no doubt. But I would be ASTONISHED if BS killed her. Now do modus tollens.

"But if the idea of Jack appearing on the scene is so far fetched why did the police entertain the idea of another killer?"

For the same reason they entertained the suspect "Druitt-Kosminski-Tumblety-Klosowski." (Just love English hyphenated cognomens.)

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello (yet again) CD. Thanks.

"Sometimes common sense and self preservation put the kibosh on things we want to do."

Precisely. But what does that do to your "arousal" argument?

Cheers.
LC

The conditions changed so that what initially appeared to be safe no longer seemed that way. Paranoia can do that.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

position

Hello CD.

"I said "might" and I am in no position to say with certainty what a serial killer may or may not do."

Indeed. Nor are we even in a position to say that is whom we are dealing with.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

[QUOTE=lynn cates;291302]Hello (again) CD. Thanks.

The forensic evidence shows conclusively that Liz died where she was found. Mud, water, no rumpling of the dress--everything conspires to indicate this.

If you wish to place the club in brackets, fine. Tom and Caroline have shown interest in the privies located in the yard. That works well as a pretext for Liz and/or her assailant being in the yard.

When I see your, and a few other poster's, reasoning about the BS story, my heart leaps up and I am filled with joy. But, inevitably, the posts begin where someone is trying to find a place for "Jack" and the reasoning becomes convoluted.

Perhaps I ask too much?

Hello Lynn,

Well my heart leaps when you agree that the B.S. man was not her killer but then you always go on that Schwartz must have therefore lied so I guess we are even.

But if the idea of Jack appearing on the scene is so far fetched why did the police entertain the idea of another killer?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

arousal

Hello (yet again) CD. Thanks.

"Sometimes common sense and self preservation put the kibosh on things we want to do."

Precisely. But what does that do to your "arousal" argument?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD.

"Jack might have concluded that places where there were more prostitutes might also be places where there was a greater police presence."

And yet you believe he popped round to Mitre sq? No police there?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

I said "might" and I am in no position to say with certainty what a serial killer may or may not do.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

"My heart leaps up when I behold . . ."

Hello (again) CD. Thanks.

The forensic evidence shows conclusively that Liz died where she was found. Mud, water, no rumpling of the dress--everything conspires to indicate this.

If you wish to place the club in brackets, fine. Tom and Caroline have shown interest in the privies located in the yard. That works well as a pretext for Liz and/or her assailant being in the yard.

When I see your, and a few other poster's, reasoning about the BS story, my heart leaps up and I am filled with joy. But, inevitably, the posts begin where someone is trying to find a place for "Jack" and the reasoning becomes convoluted.

Perhaps I ask too much?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD.

"2. He (Jack) was so aroused by what he saw that he decided to take his chances and went ahead with the murder."

Logically, why not:

"2'. He (Jack) was so aroused by what he saw that he decided to take his chances and went ahead with the murder--AND the mutilations."

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Yes, true enough but we don't know what took place after Jack killed her. The more chances you take, the greater the probability of getting caught. Something could have frightened him post kill that had not been there when he initially cut her throat.

You could also extend your line of reasoning to assume that if it were Jack that he would have happily continued to mutilate as the members poured out of the club. Sometimes common sense and self preservation put the kibosh on things we want to do.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

coppers

Hello CD.

"Jack might have concluded that places where there were more prostitutes might also be places where there was a greater police presence."

And yet you believe he popped round to Mitre sq? No police there?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Your post, #415, is just about the most succinct argument I have seen to indicate why BSM is not a good candidate to have killed Liz.

But IF Schwartz's story is true, there can be little doubt that BSM did her. So maybe lose your last paragraph and accept that Israel's BS story was a BS story?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Well, I'm flattered (I think). I am assuming that you are referring to your body position argument. As has been pointed out before, even if we could prove with 100% metaphysical certainty that the fact that Stride's feet were pointing (fill in a direction) indicating X, we have absolutely no way of knowing if that was the direction she was facing when killed. Her killer could have moved her after cutting her throat. So to me, that argument is completely moot.

There is no evidence of a club conspiracy no matter how much you think it likely. And again, the police were willing to entertain the idea of another killer besides the B.S. man.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

bingo

Hello Gareth.

"Berner Street seems somehow too "out of the way", unless he knew Stride would be thereabouts. That's why I sense that, in her case, the killer had a more specific motive than the opportunistic murder and mutilation of a stranger."

Bingo.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

cachous

Hello Jon.

"Stride is assaulted, she falls, witnessed by Schwartz walking quickly past, and when she gains her composure the killer pulls her into the shadows and kills her."

Could this be emended to:

"Stride is assaulted, she falls, witnessed by Schwartz walking quickly past, and when she gains her composure, AND TAKES OUT THE CACHOUS, the killer pulls her into the shadows and kills her."?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

final step

Hello CD.

"2. He (Jack) was so aroused by what he saw that he decided to take his chances and went ahead with the murder."

Logically, why not:

"2'. He (Jack) was so aroused by what he saw that he decided to take his chances and went ahead with the murder--AND the mutilations."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

"May the Schwartz be with you--or not."

Hello Gareth. Your reply, #416, could have been written by me. And that is the OVERWHELMING reason I CANNOT believe the Schwartz tale.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

B S story

Hello CD. Your post, #415, is just about the most succinct argument I have seen to indicate why BSM is not a good candidate to have killed Liz.

But IF Schwartz's story is true, there can be little doubt that BSM did her. So maybe lose your last paragraph and accept that Israel's BS story was a BS story?

Cheers.
LC