Where is Liz Stride?

[Wickerman]

If Schwartz is to be believed, she WAS alone and the only "JACK" fellow was BSM.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Naturally, I am intrigued as to how you arrive at the conclusion that according to Schwartz, she was alone?

What did he say that convinces you?

[lynn cates]

"Come with me into the . . .yard?"

Hello CD. Thanks.

Demeanour? Well, sometimes shy people comport themselves one way. Shy prostitutes are frequently unsuccessful. Body english is important here.

"If she had another reason for being there, I think Jack could have been clever enough to come up with some type of story such as the offer of a drink. Anything to get her alone and in the yard."

Of course, if she were soliciting, she might well be just outside the gates. Presumably, alone.

Why get her into the yard?

If Schwartz is to be believed, she WAS alone and the only "JACK" fellow was BSM.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Thanks.

"Yes, but Liz wasn't pushing an apple cart was she?"

How many women pushed apple carts to work?

"So how exactly did the prostitutes in Whitechapel make it clear what they were selling so that they stood out from their more "respectable" sisters?"

1. Demeanour

2. "Hey ducky, ya wanna . . . ?"

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

By apple cart, I meant that it was not obvious that Liz was working or on her way to work. No tools of the trade.

Demeanor? How so, exactly?

"Hey ducky"? Yes, provided the John was within ear shot.

My point is that unless Liz were wearing a big P on her chest for prostitute, it might be hard for someone observing her from a distance to conclude she was selling her services. Confirmation would require speaking to her. If it were Jack and she was soliciting, it's a go. If she had another reason for being there, I think Jack could have been clever enough to come up with some type of story such as the offer of a drink. Anything to get her alone and in the yard.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

And a sign shall be given them.

Hello CD. Thanks.

"Yes, but Liz wasn't pushing an apple cart was she?"

How many women pushed apple carts to work?

"So how exactly did the prostitutes in Whitechapel make it clear what they were selling so that they stood out from their more "respectable" sisters?"

1. Demeanour

2. "Hey ducky, ya wanna . . . ?"

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Thanks.

"Respectable" women were expected to be married and to produce offspring for England.

But some women in the East End worked and, yes, were out late.

Standing for no apparent reason? Well put.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Yes, but Liz wasn't pushing an apple cart was she? So how exactly did the prostitutes in WhiteChapel make it clear what they were selling so that they stood out from their more "respectable" sisters?

c.d.

[The Good Michael]

Mike,

The same can be said about those that include her as a 'Ripper' victim.

All the best
DRoy

I think I said that. I don't know if she is or isn't, but she can't be dismissed with the non-evidence either way that we currently have. Also, the weight of the people who were there and made the comparisons and knew the streets have to account for something, so I lean...ever so slightly...to the side of the canon.

Mike

[lynn cates]

"You're so respectable."

Hello CD. Thanks.

"Respectable" women were expected to be married and to produce offspring for England.

But some women in the East End worked and, yes, were out late.

Standing for no apparent reason? Well put.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Thanks.

"I think the key words are a single woman by herself late at night rather than walking.?

1. 12.30 is late?

2. What is salient about being a woman and by yourself?

Cheers.
LC

Yes, I would consider 12:30 to be late. Were "respectable" women out late at night by themselves in the Victorian period and standing on corners for no apparent reason?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

consistent

Hello (again) CD. Thanks.

"Maybe she had gotten a little cold standing there and she thought it might warm her."

Fair enough. But why is she standing there?

"Your reference to Kate seems to indicate that you want proof of everything and that just ain't gonna happen."

Well, I want a story that is not internally inconsistent. Something there is that doesn't love P and not P.

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Mike,

The same can be said about those that include her as a 'Ripper' victim.

All the best
DRoy

[lynn cates]

salient feature

Hello CD. Thanks.

"I think the key words are a single woman by herself late at night rather than walking.?

1. 12.30 is late?

2. What is salient about being a woman and by yourself?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

use statements

Hello Michael. Thanks.

The difference has to do, largely, with the statement that people were not found in the yard since a few months back.

John, however, let it be known what his mum's yard was used for.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

word from a non-canoner

Hello Michael.

"I don't think any of this matters. Soliciting or not soliciting. Money or alcohol. The point (for me anyway) is that people take a stand on such things for the purpose of eliminating Stride as a ripper victim . . ."

Not for me. I want to know WHAT was going on so I may fill in the blanks in an intelligent manner.

". . . when that simply cannot be done. I have no idea if she was or wasn't, but her lifestyle was in no general way different from that of the others."

Poor? I can live with that.

"Non-canoners (my word) will talk about the lack of mutilation and then try to throw in this canard as of it really has any extra weight. It doesn't.'

OK. but the less deep neck wound and lack of facial bruising are interesting. They do NOT tally with an interruption.

"There is no way to exclude Stride from the current information, and making up stuff just confuses the case."

Confusion with the WCM? May it never be!

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

I was referring to my scenario only. So she could have been killed before she had the opportunity to take the drink that was being offered to her. Why she would do so if she had not previously been drinking I don't know but I can only speculate. Maybe she had gotten a little cold standing there and she thought it might warm her.

Your reference to Kate seems to indicate that you want proof of everything and that just ain't gonna happen. That is why we all speculate.

c.d.

[c.d.]

I think the key words are a single woman by herself late at night rather than walking.

c.d.