Where is Liz Stride?

[Wickerman]

Not a bit of it. Smith was spot on. The rest--did they invent Liz?

Hi Lynn.
What cause do you have to ask?

[lynn cates]

inventing . . .

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Accurate?, are we to entertain some possibility that Best, Gardner, Smith, Marshall, all, or any one of them, invented the male companion?"

Not a bit of it. Smith was spot on. The rest--did they invent Liz?

Brush off? Dust off? Bugger off? Whatever.

"I don't think so, this was the courting couple, not Stride and her companion."

Ah!

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Lynn.

Hello Jon. Thanks.

". . . as she has been all night, in the company of a man."

Provided, of course, all the sightings are accurate.

Accurate?, are we to entertain some possibility that Best, Gardner, Smith, Marshall, all, or any one of them, invented the male companion?

"Standing in a dark gateway by herself is not the best way to advertise her availability. . ."

Granted. But I thought this was a given for the standard view?

Well,...you know me, I don't run with the pack

". . . assuming she was soliciting."

Indeed.

"But if she was there enjoying the music with her recent companion . . ."

Now this is indeed consistent with a leisurely stroll, having a heart to heart chat with a possible lover ("anything but your prayers"). Just stopping for a moment and listening to folk music--OK.

But is this dust off man? Did they remain together AFTER her turn down? If she turned him down for sex and YET they stayed together, I think that solicitation goes out the window.

Cheers.
LC

Brush off man you mean?
I don't think so, this was the courting couple, not Stride and her companion.

[lynn cates]

flow chart

Hello Jon. Thanks.

". . . as she has been all night, in the company of a man."

Provided, of course, all the sightings are accurate.

"Standing in a dark gateway by herself is not the best way to advertise her availability. . ."

Granted. But I thought this was a given for the standard view?

". . . assuming she was soliciting."

Indeed.

"But if she was there enjoying the music with her recent companion . . ."

Now this is indeed consistent with a leisurely stroll, having a heart to heart chat with a possible lover ("anything but your prayers"). Just stopping for a moment and listening to folk music--OK.

But is this dust off man? Did they remain together AFTER her turn down? If she turned him down for sex and YET they stayed together, I think that solicitation goes out the window.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

jigsaw

Hello Michael. Thanks.

"When I put them together...well, I can't. Worst jigsaw I've ever seen."

In which case, at least two possible indications.

1. Pieces missing.

2. Pieces that do not belong.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Well, BSM is not described as interrupting anyone when he paused to chat up Liz.

Could have merely neglected to relate?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

Not at all, Schwartz looks like his entire focus was the struggle in front of him, and his immediate reaction to the struggle was to take off in the opposite direction.
There is no indication that he had the time to survey the shadows behind the couple. I'm suggesting that we have no indication as to whether Stride was alone in the gateway or, as she has been all night, in the company of a man.
Standing in a dark gateway by herself is not the best way to advertise her availability, assuming she was soliciting. But if she was there enjoying the music with her recent companion then being half in the shadows makes sense.

[The Good Michael]

Had I known this is all you sought, I would have been glad to have given it. No difficulty there.

Lynn,

Seriously, I have no hidden agenda. I just try to logically (my logic) understand the various components. When I put them together...well, I can't. Worst jigsaw I've ever seen.

Mike

[lynn cates]

so little to ask

Hello Michael. Thanks.

"I was only saying that she was perceived as a prostitute."

Certainly. At least, the police thought so.

Had I known this is all you sought, I would have been glad to have given it. No difficulty there.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Very well, let's cut to the chase. Liz is "perceived" as a prostitute. What then? BSM (if you believe in him) crosses her path, gets a look at her, and smacks her ("Dirty 'ore!")?

Lynn, I have no idea. I was only saying that she was perceived as a prostitute. One thing at a time, please.

I do believe that Schwartz said what he thought he saw, and that someone translated in a way that, to the translator, replicated Schwartz' statement. I believe in the possibility of mistakes in the process, but not in intentional deception.

Cheers,

Mike

[lynn cates]

believable

Hello Michael. Thanks.

"I see you didn't actually read what I wrote."

Ah, but I did. Couldn't miss it.

"It's all about how she was perceived. Perception is everything, and you know that."

Not disagreeing.

"It doesn't matter what she did for a living. At that time of evening, walking around a bad part of town, wearing nice enough clothing, what do you expect the young men, also out at that hour, would have thought of her?"

Very well, let's cut to the chase. Liz is "perceived" as a prostitute. What then? BSM (if you believe in him) crosses her path, gets a look at her, and smacks her ("Dirty 'ore!")?

Or is this "Jack" character a bit of a voyeur and hiding behind something, awaiting an opportunity?

You see, I am MORE than receptive to solicitation. But it MUST fit into an overall schema; nor, can we have such Deus ex machina as "interruptions," "invisible people," etc.

It needs to be consistent AND believable.

Cheers.
LC

[DRoy]

Mike,

I agree with you here. It is about perception. If she wasn't already with a friend or boyfriend or another client, etc, 'Jack' could have easily assumed she was working.

I also believe that she appeared a bit better than the average prostitute or woman percieved as being one since there is a few comments about her being dressed better and looking out of place, etc.

It reminds me of the woman in movies who is wearing the bright red dress that is too difficult to miss or ignore. Whether 'Jack' or not killed her, looking better than most women at that time of night could lead her killer to assume she was working and why not go for the pretty one?

Cheers
DRoy

[The Good Michael]

Hello Michael.

"Honestly, I think the time of night she was out, and the area in which she was out and about, spoke volumes to everyone around about her profession."

Indeed? Fanny Mortimer did THAT for a living? Well, well, well.

I see you didn't actually read what I wrote. It's all about how she was perceived. Perception is everything, and you know that. It doesn't matter what she did for a living. At that time of evening, walking around a bad part of town, wearing nice enough clothing, what do you expect the young men, also out at that hour, would have thought of her? Rhetorical question. You know there's only one logical answer.

Mike

[lynn cates]

Fanny

Hello Michael.

"Honestly, I think the time of night she was out, and the area in which she was out and about, spoke volumes to everyone around about her profession."

Indeed? Fanny Mortimer did THAT for a living? Well, well, well.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

story

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Well, BSM is not described as interrupting anyone when he paused to chat up Liz.

Could have merely neglected to relate?

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Honestly, I think the time of night she was out, and the area in which she was out and about, spoke volumes to everyone around about her profession. Even if she weren't a prostitute, she would have seemed as if she were one.

Mike