Was Stride Really a JtR Victim?

[bobh]

Lyn, I think for Stride to bring one prosecution, she would have been assaulted numerous times, even today for every dv incident reported, on average there have been over twenty incidents prior to that. I can't believe that it was any better in Victorian times.

As for the inference that she was a prostitute, Preston names her as Long Liz, implying that he knows her well.

Best wishes, Bob

[bobh]

Diga, I'm much obliged to you for pointing me in the direction of 'Exonerating Kidney', lots of new information to digest, many thanks

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

"I think he is a far more plausible suspect of Stride's death than JTR?"

Perhaps. But that's not saying much.(heh heh)

Cheers.
LC[/QUOTE]

I concur. As far as the data is concerned, we gots about diddley.

[lynn cates]

Kidney

Hello (again) Bob. Thanks.

"In addition Kidney had previous for violence towards Stride. . ."

Indeed? haven't seen that one--except the one case that Liz failed to show.

". . . and if he had suspected she was seeing someone else, it wouldn't have taken much to track her down, he would know her haunts."

Berner? I'll bite. Why was that her haunt?

"I think he is a far more plausible suspect of Stride's death than JTR?"

Perhaps. But that's not saying much. (heh-heh)

"Do we know his previous convictions, I haven't seen any on the site as yet."

Nor yet I.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

In addition Kidney had previous for violence towards Stride
By Stride's account.
, and if he had suspected she was seeing someone else, it wouldn't have taken much to track her down, he would know her haunts.
He would? So you suggest Stride frequented Berner St then? Can you substantiate that claim?
I think he is a far more plausible suspect of Stride's death than JTR? Do we know his previous convictions, I haven't seen any on the site as yet.
Well he certainly could have some motive. I'm not ready to send him to the gallows quite yet.

Best wishes, bob.

To you and yours as well

[lynn cates]

Get there from here?

Hello Bob. Thanks.

"In Preston's first statement he recognizes her as Long Liz, her street name, and also the fact that she was in a doss house at 6-7am in the morning."

OK. But not sure how we get from these data to prostitution?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hull bobh some foof for thought

If you haven't yet, I would suggest reading Tom Wescott's, Exhonorating Kidney. It can be found in the dissertstions. I think it may also have a thread.

[bobh]

In addition Kidney had previous for violence towards Stride, and if he had suspected she was seeing someone else, it wouldn't have taken much to track her down, he would know her haunts. I think he is a far more plausible suspect of Stride's death than JTR? Do we know his previous convictions, I haven't seen any on the site as yet.

Best wishes, bob.

[bobh]

Hi lyn

In Preston's first statement he recognizes her as Long Liz, her street name, and also the fact that she was in a doss house at 6-7am in the morning. And I also think the method of killing her may very well have been to make it look like a Ripper killing, but in fairness not many would have had the stomach to go further than cutting the throat.

Best wishes, Bob.

[The Good Michael]

Right, Mike.
She was a prostitute, she was soliciting, and in any event must have intended to conduct her business nearby.

Though there are those who believe she was just "dating" and that she wasn't even a prostitute...I'm not one of those.

Mike

[lynn cates]

Preston

Hello Bob. Thanks.

What in Preston's testimony indicates prostitution? The D & D?

"I think Kidney has committed this murder, and tried to make it look like a JTR killing?"

OK.

1. How/where did Kidney meet her?

2. Surely it did NOT look like a "JTR" killing?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Right, Mike.
She was a prostitute, she was soliciting, and in any event must have intended to conduct her business nearby.

[The Good Michael]

Bob,

I don't disagree with your argument, but I will say that an argument could be made for the back of the yard being relatively quiet. It's possible Stride was even taking the killer back there when she became nervous or whatever and he felt the need to kill her much nearer the gates then he had wanted to.

Mike

[bobh]

"I cautioned her the same as any man would". I wonder how she was cautioned, and what for? For going off drinking, or for going off with other men? From the evidence of Charles Preston, Stride appears to have been quite a well known prostitute. And again I would say that the scene is far too public for the Ripper. My understanding is that even the main gates to Dutfields yard were open, so affording even less cover for the Ripper to commit the mutilations. That being the case, why would he even consider the yard as a suitable venue? I think Kidney has committed this murder, and tried to make it look like a JTR killing? As for the letter about the double event, as has been seen, enterprising journalists have been known to add fuel to the fire......

[lynn cates]

Kidney

Hello Bob. Welcome to the boards.

I agree that this was an odd venue for a killing.

I notice that you mentioned Kidney. Have you read his testimony at inquest? How does he strike you?

Cheers.
LC