Liz Stride Re-Enactment

[c.d.]

I meant to say that I don't see anything that points to rage which is what I would expect in a domestic.

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[c.d.]

Sorry, my brain went out for coffee and a sandwich. I was referring to a probable motive for a domestic and I don't see any sign of rage as a motive.

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[protohistorian]

Rage

What specifically points to rage? Dave

[c.d.]

Hello Harry. Your questions presuppose the veracity of Schwartz. Why assume that when it leads us into anomaly?

Cheers.
LC

Why assume he was lying for that matter?

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[DVV]

Rage against the machine, imho (due to the industrial revolution).

[c.d.]

Hello CD. What rage?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

Are you saying that there was no rage involved?

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[DVV]

Like Ben, I don't necessarily see a problem with BS or Pipeman being Jack. (Again, IF they existed, and as one of many possible scenarios.)

Agreed, but BS and BS only, could well be Sailor Man.

Amitiés
David

[Rubyretro]

Like Ben, I don't necessarily see a problem with BS or Pipeman being Jack. (Again, IF they existed, and as one of many possible scenarios.)

There is another possibility, though...that Jack was already on the scene with BS and Pipeman, just simply not seen by Schwartz. This could be that
he was standing just inside the yard, in the pitch black when Schwartz passed.

We know that Pipeman left the scene at the same time as Schwartz (possibly corroborated by an independant witness). We don't know what BSM did then..but it is not unbelievable to imagine that he followed on at a slower pace.

This is speculation -but so are most of these scenarios.

[mariab]

Like Ben, I don't necessarily see a problem with BS or Pipeman being Jack. (Again, IF they existed, and as one of many possible scenarios.)

[lynn cates]

agreed

Hello Ben. I agree with you. IF Schwartz is telling the truth, then BS man is the culprit.

After all, such a result seems to me the SOLE reason why the story was concocted.

Cheers.
LC

[Ben]

I'm afraid the observation still stands that if Schwartz told the truth, BS man was almost certainly the killer. Otherwise we're left with a very implausible coincidence of two separate attackers descending on Liz. If people don't consider the behaviour of BS to have been very Jack-like, then it's Jack that needs to be removed from the equation, not BS. If, like me, you don't see the problem with BS man also being Jack, there's no such problem.

All the best,
Ben

[lynn cates]

anomaly

Hello Harry. Your questions presuppose the veracity of Schwartz. Why assume that when it leads us into anomaly?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

lists, etc

Hello Maria. Agreed.

List of IWMEC members? That will be bloody difficult.

Yes, perhaps Maurice still has the email address.

Good luck.

Cheers.
LC

[harry]

Where were the cachoos in the altercation with BS?probably in her pocket.Maybe in her pocket also when attacked in the yard,and the last action she performed was withdrawing the hand from the pocket,in a futile effort of defence,clutching the cachoos as she did so.
If murder was an intent by BS why didn't he kill her there in the gateway when she was on the ground?Both Schwartz and Pipeman were moving away,and no one else was witness.A quick stab or two would have been all that was needed,taking just a few seconds.

[mariab]

To Lynn Cates:
Yes, I know. We really have to researsch Israel Schwartz further. How about lists of sweaters, or (ideally) a list of the IWMC members? Did I tell you I wasn't able to locate William Fishman's email address through his alumni? His coordinates or a manner to reach him are not listed there. But perhaps The Grave Maurice still has his email, as they communicated a few years ago.