Liz Stride Re-Enactment

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Roy. Thanks! And JI is a lovely touch.

Cheers.
LC

[Roy Corduroy]

Come to think of it, where is your pocket protector? Ah yes! No well dressed nerd should be without one!

Good morning, Lynn, just for you -



Roy Corduroy

[harry]

I think it is agreed,that Stride would at least been on her guard against further action on the part of BS,a person who seemingly for no reason,caused her to fall or be thrown to the ground.Had Schwartz not come forward,then the last person who can be placed in her company,the man seen by Brown,needs some thought.She appeared to have been comfortable in his presence.

[Rubyretro]

Frankly, she didn't seem afraid of BS Man -she screamed 'but not very loudly'.

To Me that implies that she objected to BS Man dragging her from the yard, and she was maybe surprised or he was hurting her A BIT -but her natural instinct was to keep her voice down so that neighbours or Club Members would NOT come running...

I can't see BS getting her back into the yard though...when he clearly wanted to get her away from it.

[c.d.]

Mariab,
There was a Russian,a doctor,Alexander Pedachenko,who is stated to have been suspected by Sir Basil Thompson of being the ripper.Sir Basil succeeded Magnachten,so presumably would have had ample chance to study the ripper files.Why he suspected Padachenko is not stated by the author.
As to rage,what of Stride's feelings.Surely she would have been severely shaken after the initial encounter,enough I would feel,that she would for quite a while,be suspicious of any suggestions made by any male.So leading or following anyone into the darkness of the yard would appear to be a very foolish thing to do.Regardless,one would expect her to be on her guard against further mistreatment,yet she must have let her guard down for some reason,enough to allow someone to get behind and subdue her,and I cannot see that someone being BS.

Hi Harry,

I don't see her going off with the BS man as you stated. However, she could have simply shrugged the whole incident off as just another day at the office.

c.d.

[mariab]

Lynn,
Saturday afternoon is early enough by all means, Lynn. Even Sunday afternoon is absolutely fine. Thank you SO very much for considering to scan, and please, don't knock yourself out.

Harry wrote:
Surely she would have been severely shaken after the initial encounter,
Not neccessarily. Such encounters happened fairly enough in Victorian Whitechapel, as they happen in certain parts of towns today.

[lynn cates]

BS story

Hello Harry. Your train of thought here is impeccable. What would happen if there was NO initial encounter? What if the BS story were just that?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

tempus fugit

Hello Maria. I think scans are a good idea. I'll see precisely what I can accomplish--or not.

Can you give me an exact time deadline in Greenwich mean time? If I send along everything by Saturday afternoon, will that work?

Cheers.
LC

[harry]

Mariab,
There was a Russian,a doctor,Alexander Pedachenko,who is stated to have been suspected by Sir Basil Thompson of being the ripper.Sir Basil succeeded Magnachten,so presumably would have had ample chance to study the ripper files.Why he suspected Padachenko is not stated by the author.
As to rage,what of Stride's feelings.Surely she would have been severely shaken after the initial encounter,enough I would feel,that she would for quite a while,be suspicious of any suggestions made by any male.So leading or following anyone into the darkness of the yard would appear to be a very foolish thing to do.Regardless,one would expect her to be on her guard against further mistreatment,yet she must have let her guard down for some reason,enough to allow someone to get behind and subdue her,and I cannot see that someone being BS.

[mariab]

Lynn, I know the inventaries and the functioning system of the Paris Archives Nationales in and out, I've been working there since the early`00s.(The storage system I don't need to know, since the boxes with documents are fetched to the researchers.) Plus I know most of their librarians fairly well. I can go through the entire (relevant) inventaries in half a day, IF I have some names/a list of names to look up. And I can order the most promising 6 boxes of files for the next day, to look up for an entire day. Provided that there are indeed files for the Okhrana and for criminal records in the fonds publics of the AN, and provided that the Okhrana files are not in Russian (which I can't read).
As for the archives at the Préfecture de Police, they seem to have only 2 inventaries for the period in question. I could totally manage the entire search in one day.
How about if you gave me the address of Piotr Rachkovski's Okhrana branch office, the full name of this Andrieux police official dude (was he a real police officer, or a private investigator, like Le Grand?), and if you could put (briefly transcribe) in an email or perhaps even scan the relevant book pages for ONLY the essential info pertaining to 1) the Okhrana having hired detective agencies, and pertaining to 2) the bombing organized by Andrieux in Paris?
Also, a quick and dirty way to find other names is to go through the index of your books hunting for French/Russian names, seeing if anything rings a bell to you. ('Cause it most definitely won't ring a bell to me.) We can start small, and expand the search in March, depending on my preliminary findings (if any). Obviously I'll also look up the Danish journalist (Jules Hansen) and Le Grand (and Ostrog) under all their different con names, both in the Police de Sûreté files and in the criminal records. And let's just hope that these are existent in (more or less) their entirety for the period in question, as listed, and not destroyed somehow. Otherwise it'll be a very short, disappointing search...
(I'll check out the link you emailed me during the weekend, and thank you so much for your help.)
Thank you SO very much, and apologies for stressing you out like this, but my curiosity is piqued, and I'd like to have at least a preliminary answer now. (By March, I could be dead...)

[lynn cates]

schedule

Hello Maria. Given your tight schedule, why not postpone the search until spring? Perhaps we can have a decent list by then?

Perhaps this time, just familiarise yourself with the filing and storage system?

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Lynn, names and addresses too, if possible.
Thank you.

[mariab]

Lynn,
I've already told you that I'll be very busy in Paris with my own research, plus I have a long proposal and a conference paper to prepare while there, both pertaining to pending deadlines. I can only spare 3 full days for the Ripperological research (out of not even 2 weeks). I don't have the time to seek out a volume of fancy mémoires and read them! If you wish me to do an efficient search, you'd have to cooperate, by going through your abundant lit and establishing a list of names pertaining to the affiliates of the Paris Okhrana.
You've given me 2 names, Fred Charles, and Andrieux (first name)? Is that all mentioned in the lit? Also, you mentioned that Butterworth went and consulted the archives at the Paris Musée de la Préfecture de Police, the one I'll be visiting. What does he say specifically about these archives in his book? Can you email me the details? So far I've located 2 inventaries for the files of the Police de Sûreté, one with names and one thematic (where I hope that it might include the Okhrana), but without a list of names, my search is pointless. It has time until Sunday, though. And don't worry, I'm supposed to be in Paris again in March/April, to continue with this.
I'll also ask Tom, he has Butterworth and Fishman, but I assume you have more books, plus Tom has limited internet access, and not at all during the weekend.

[mariab]

C.D. wrote:
Hi Lynn,
Forensics of the body position? With all due respect, I think we have given you several very plausible explanations to explain her body position but you have refused to accept them.
Damn straight.

[lynn cates]

plausible

Hello CD. Well, you've given me many scenarios, but none are plausible. To see what I mean, try reproducing them. (But please, none with cachous in Liz's mouth just prior to oral sex--unless your assailant wishes to see his life pass before his eyes.)

I look forward to your demo!

Cheers.
LC