If Liz Had Been Mutilated

[c.d.]

Speaking of pit stops....I wonder if Jack might have gotten Liz into the yard at which point she decided that she would like to use the facilities before getting down to business. That would knock off a few minutes of time and also give Jack a chance to have second thoughts about what he had gotten himself into. He might have decided the best course of action would be to kill her and then get out of there asap.

It seem we are so focused on the mutilations that we forget that Jack might have gotten off big time just with the thrill of the kill.

c.d.

[Sam Flynn]

i'm trying to find a good map of DORSET ST......from above, not a photo, i need to retrace kelly's movements

Why would you want to do that in the context of a Liz Stride thread?

[Sam Flynn]

Believe me when I say that Schwartzs continence is as far from my interests as can be....but from Websters you get the following...

Never mind Websters Dictionary, Mike - I'm talking about the literary use of the construct "to flee incontinently" in 1880s England, and I'm right in this context. It means "to run unrestrainedly". The correct - or longhand - medical term is "urinary incontinence". The word "incontinence" on its own hasn't always meant wetting (or soiling) oneself. Indeed, it still doesn't - you can still read of people being "incontinent with rage", for example - which just means they're furious, not that they're so angry they've wet themselves.

Cheers gents.

"Gents"!!! You must mean "men's toilets"

[Malcolm X]

yes i was enjoying a joke ......... but now i'm fed up, i'm trying to find a good map of DORSET ST......from above, not a photo, i need to retrace kelly's movements, i cannot find it quickly on the web and now i've got to go out, this really annoys me. been searching for half an hour

[DVV]

On the Trail of the Jokers

Hi David
not sure whether you were trying to pull Malcolm's leg a little, or you two were having a private joke and I missed it.

Malcolm,
Semantic means 'pertaining to the meaning (of a word or sentence)',
best wishes
IchabodCrane

Hi IchabodCrane,
don't worry, it was only a (public) joke.
Malcolm knows perfectly what "semantic" means, as indicated by the icon he put after his question.
That's what prompted me to joke with him, and being late at night, Malcolm did appreciate it, as shown by his last post.

Amitiés,
David

[IchabodCrane]

Semantic qualifies Jews from Hungary, Malcolm. To be distinguished from the Semitic stock.

Hi David
not sure whether you were trying to pull Malcolm's leg a little, or you two were having a private joke and I missed it.

Malcolm,
Semantic means 'pertaining to the meaning (of a word or sentence)',
best wishes
IchabodCrane

Sam, David,

Believe me when I say that Schwartzs continence is as far from my interests as can be....but from Websters you get the following;

in·con·ti·nent
Pronunciation: in-ˈkän-tə-nənt
Function: Adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin incontinent-, incontinens, from in- + continent-, continens continent
Date: 14th century

Not continent: as a (1): lacking self-restraint (2): not being under control (b): unable to retain urine or feces voluntarily

It seems the definition of the word has included the inability to hold urine since the 14th century, as well as that of a general lack of self control. Whether the word was used as we might do today... with respect to the suggestion I made of the interpretation, incontinence as relates to Fear,... Ill accept that the word and that definition may not be linked in the LVP.

One last note on Schwartz, does the theatrical appearance of the man suggest that he might be familiar with and adept at storytelling?

Cheers gents.

[Malcolm X]

Semantic qualifies Jews from Hungary, Malcolm. To be distinguished from the Semitic stock.

good, time for me to shoot off and have a drink, i've enjoyed myself tonight!

[DVV]

yes, but what does Semantic mean

Semantic qualifies Jews from Hungary, Malcolm. To be distinguished from the Semitic stock.

[Malcolm X]

The meaning of that phrase is simply that Schwartz "ran away without restraint".

yes it would've been more like Schwartz ran away ``loosing control of his bodily functions`` rather than ``filling his trousers``

[Malcolm X]

Let me try to settle peace with a semantic argument.
In old French, "incontinent" means "very quickly". Scwhartz ran off very quickly. Once at home, he may have urinated.

yes, but what does Semantic mean

i wonder if Schwartz killed her?......no broadshoulders and no Pipeman.... no no surely not .

[Sam Flynn]

When the reporter used that phrase it was likely to color his idea of Schwartz's fear...as in he pissed his pants he was so scared.

Mike, with respect, I'm telling you a fact about the Queen's English here. Believe me, that reporter did not mean that Schwartz wet himself - you could "incontinent" a lot more than just pee in those days. If anything, the default usage of the word would have been rather more innocent than it became in more recent, naughtier, times. You only have to look at what the 20th Century did to "intercourse", "ejaculate" and "jerk" to understand that things were rather different back then. Back in those strait-laced days, any reference to "pissing himself", however euphemistic, wouldn't have got passed the sub-editors - they even blanked out the word "damned" when they quoted some of Eddowes' famous last words, remember.

The meaning of that phrase is simply that Schwartz "ran away without restraint".

[Malcolm X]

On the question of the killer being disturbed, Annie Chapmans killer wasn't too bothered about murdering her in a house with all those people in residence, or with Cadosch coming out of the house next door. Maybe The killer of Liz Stride had literally only time to inflict one wound as the pony was coming into the yard, before retreating further into it

So many facts about this murser don't make sense. If Mrs Mortimer was loitering around her doorstep for most of that time surely she would have at least heard the Schwartz incidence, even if she didn't see it?

yes but was she, or did she pop back and forth into her house, half of these eye witnesses are totally useless...i wouldn't take her words as gospel

[DVV]

Let me try to settle peace with a semantic argument.
In old French, "incontinent" means "very quickly". Scwhartz ran off very quickly. Once at home, he may have urinated.

edit: for those who like pathetic puns, I should have said "to settle piss".

[Malcolm X]

Hi Malcolm,
I definitely share your "big problem". And trust me, the mystery of Jack's identity is far less mysterious than Stride's murder.

Amitiés,
David

yes too true, the Stride murder is the one to steer clear off.