From Mitre Square to Goulston Street - Some thoughts.

[Aethelwulf]

Someone intent on removing the organs and who had great anatomy skills as you suggest would not have stabbed Eddowes several times in the abdomen thereby damaging any organs they would be looking to excise.

The motive for the murder was simply murder and mutilation !!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Something we agree on Trevor!

[DJA]

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Tom,

The story goes back to 1867 when Mary Ann Nichols and Catherine Eddowes/Conway were inpatients of Sutton's.(Patients 2 and 7). They spent over a month together.

medcht00094-0102.pdf

Strep pyogenes that causes the disease reside in the small intestine.

In late August when Eddowes was looking after her sister who resided at 6 Thrawl Street,Nichols moved from 18 Thrawl Steet to 56 Flower and Dean Street next door to Eddowes at 55.

Eddowes goes hopping.

Nichols is murdered close to the London Hospital.

Eddowes returns seeking a reward.

She is soon murdered.

Her wounds suggest someone with great skill and knowledge of her medical history.

That is just for starters.

I seek a writer.

Kindly PM your email and 'phone number.

All the Best,

Dave.

Someone intent on removing the organs and who had great anatomy skills as you suggest would not have stabbed Eddowes several times in the abdomen thereby damaging any organs they would be looking to excise.

The motive for the murder was simply murder and mutilation !!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[DJA]

DJA, I'm genuinely interested in hearing this idea of yours out.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi Tom,

The story goes back to 1867 when Mary Ann Nichols and Catherine Eddowes/Conway were inpatients of Sutton's.(Patients 2 and 7). They spent over a month together.

medcht00094-0102.pdf

Strep pyogenes that causes the disease reside in the small intestine.

In late August when Eddowes was looking after her sister who resided at 6 Thrawl Street,Nichols moved from 18 Thrawl Steet to 56 Flower and Dean Street next door to Eddowes at 55.

Eddowes goes hopping.

Nichols is murdered close to the London Hospital.

Eddowes returns seeking a reward.

She is soon murdered.

Her wounds suggest someone with great skill and knowledge of her medical history.

That is just for starters.

I seek a writer.

Kindly PM your email and 'phone number.

All the Best,

Dave.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

It's quite possible that the coroner had a copy of Warren's note, which might explain why he pressed PC Long about the spelling of Jews.

That is possible.

The coroner appears to have been aware of the Juwes spelling before he questioned Long about it and even before Halse gave evidence.

It was Halse who recorded the spelling as Juwes and the coroner asked Long about it again, after Halse had finished giving evidence.

It seems that the version we have ended up with is Warren's and Long's wording, Warren's layout of the words, and Warren and Halse's spelling of the word Jews.

It is reported at

https://www.casebook.org/official_documents/warrenlt.html

that Warren spelled the word Jewes, but there are, I believe, too many loops in his writing of that word for that to be a correct transcription of his copy.

[Wickerman]

That is right - and the only issue left is exactly how the word Jews was mis-spelled.

The fact that it was mis-spelled, however, should rule out Gull, Sickert, Druitt, and Albert Victor - even in the event they did not have alibis.

It's quite possible that the coroner had a copy of Warren's note, which might explain why he pressed PC Long about the spelling of Jews.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Well then PC Long is very much co-orborated by the most senior Policeman in Whitechapel and that does change things.

That is right - and the only issue left is exactly how the word Jews was mis-spelled.

The fact that it was mis-spelled, however, should rule out Gull, Sickert, Druitt, and Albert Victor - even in the event they did not have alibis.

[Wickerman]

Well then PC Long is very much co-orborated by the most senior Policeman in Whitechapel and that does change things.

It might be of interest to us all if someone knows where we can find a document written & signed by Warren so we can compare handwriting.
Not to say we are professionals at that, but in many cases it is not difficult to see where major differences or similarities exist.
See if someone is up for the challenge?

[Sunny Delight]

Warren's report, dated 6 Nov. can be found in the "Ultimate" (p.183), the quote I used is taken directly from that report.
He writes that he made his own copy at the site. A number of theorists have used that copy to suggest how the wording was placed on the various bricks as opposed to being written in two continuous lines.

Well then PC Long is very much co-orborated by the most senior Policeman in Whitechapel and that does change things.

[Wickerman]

Yes I am aware of that. I had initially read it in the way that it was a copy of what had been written down by PC Long?

Warren's report, dated 6 Nov. can be found in the "Ultimate" (p.183), the quote I used is taken directly from that report.
He writes that he made his own copy at the site. A number of theorists have used that copy to suggest how the wording was placed on the various bricks as opposed to being written in two continuous lines.

[Sunny Delight]

I'm not sure how you arrive at that, you must be aware that Warren wrote that he went to Goulston St. and before it was wiped off he wrote his own copy - "..having taken a copy of which I enclose a duplicate..."



This copy was found among the official files, the wording is identical with PC Long's version.



Yes, it is very likely the case.

Yes I am aware of that. I had initially read it in the way that it was a copy of what had been written down by PC Long?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The presence of the apron piece is still a clue that the murderer travelled to Spitalfields following the murder in Mitre Square.

It also suggests that he lived near Goulston Street.

[Wickerman]

I am not saying PC Long was incorrect but nor can we say he was indeed correct. So it is an open question. The fact that the graffitti was written down differently by others leaves doubt over his competence.

I'm not sure how you arrive at that, you must be aware that Warren wrote that he went to Goulston St. and before it was wiped off he wrote his own copy - "..having taken a copy of which I enclose a duplicate..."



This copy was found among the official files, the wording is identical with PC Long's version.

I think it is highly significant if PC Long was correct and the Apron was not there at 2:20am. That would mean the one real clue we have on the Rippers direction of travel after a murder is incorrect.

Yes, it is very likely the case.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Would it have been erased if there was no association with the murder I wonder?

Would Warren have written what he wrote if he had thought it likely that the murderer was a Jew?

That makes five senior men - Abberline, Macnaghten, Smith, Reid, and Warren - who were all of the opinion that the murderer was a gentile, and yet Anderson claimed that he and all those investigating the murders came to the conclusion that the murderer was a Jew at a time when they had no Jewish suspect.

What Anderson wrote was evidently untrue.

[Losmandris]

[The graffito were] evidently written with the intention of inflaming the public mind against the Jews,... but after taking into consideration... the strong feeling which had been excited against the Jews,... I considered it desirable to obliterate the writing at once, having taken a copy of which I enclose a duplicate... I do not hesitate myself to say that if that writing had been left there would have have been an onslaught upon the Jews... I have no doubt myself whatever that one of the principal objects of the Reward offered by Mr. Montagu was to shew to the world that the Jews were desirous of having the Hanbury Street Murder cleared up, and thus to divert from them the very strong feeling which was then growing up...

[enclosure]

The Jewes are
The men that
Will not
be Blamed
for nothing

(SIR CHARLES WARREN)

Would it have been erased if there was no association with the murder I wonder?