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Originally posted by michael w richards View Post
the suggested meeting might have originally been for midnight, before she overdid it that afternoon. Surely midnight would be a good time for n'er do wells?
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[QUOTE=Lipsky;n720489]Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
Thank you for this information, Joshua.
I maintain that there was a blackmail scheme launched way before Chapman's murder, probably before the first attack on February 25, 1888, and for a higher sum.
Why was Annie Millwood attacked on February 25 and allowed to get away and recover to die of causes "unrelatated to her vicious attack'?
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[QUOTE=Joshua Rogan;n720488]Originally posted by Leanne View Post
Actually it appeared in the press as early as the 11th Sept., egEcho
London, U.K.
11 September 1888
Mr. S. Montagu, M.P., has assumed the functions of the Home Office. He has offered a reward of £100 for the capture of the murderer of Annie Chapman. It is well, however, to remember that Mr. Montagu represents the Whitechapel Division in Parliament.
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The reward was offered for THE CAPTURE OF THE MURDERER!!!!
The Offer of a reward for information kept on being denied by the police because it tended to lead them off the trail. Every man and his dog would have tried to claim it!
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[QUOTE=Lipsky;n720489]Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
Thank you for this information, Joshua.
I maintain that there was a blackmail scheme launched way before Chapman's murder, probably before the first attack on February 25, 1888, and for a higher sum.
YOU'RE WAY OFF THE TRUTH!
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[QUOTE=Joshua Rogan;n720488]Originally posted by Leanne View Post
Actually it appeared in the press as early as the 11th Sept., egEcho
London, U.K.
11 September 1888
Mr. S. Montagu, M.P., has assumed the functions of the Home Office. He has offered a reward of £100 for the capture of the murderer of Annie Chapman. It is well, however, to remember that Mr. Montagu represents the Whitechapel Division in Parliament.
The press report I quoted said it was for INFORMATION.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostIf people want to discuss a conspiracy between victims, can they please take it to a non-Eddowes-specific thread?
Have someone pick up the rattle you threw out of your pram and hopefully they will put your pacifier back in.
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If people want to discuss a conspiracy between victims, can they please take it to a non-Eddowes-specific thread?
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
If Eddowes was in cahoots with the other women to blackmail the killer, why on earth was she giving the names and addresses of her confederates to all and sundry? Seems a bit foolish.
Never said they were very good at the caper.
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Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
If Eddowes was in cahoots with the other women to blackmail the killer, why on earth was she giving the names and addresses of her confederates to all and sundry? Seems a bit foolish.
As the stakes are upped, and murder unfolds, they remain on course, but sloppiness prevails. If these women on the Double Event were led to pre-designated meetings to "negotiate" their price, they would want to make sure to their "meeting parties" that they had someone else behind who was also aware. Like telling someone they cant harm you cuz you have an "email planned to be sent after midnight to the press if i dont make it home safe" etc. So they made sure to name their "backers" behind them. Probably MJK was the source of the blackmailing info, and probably she had the back (and street ears/muscle boys) of her own protector (it's nice to have a landlord leaving you way way way back on your rent, ja?).
After all, if this was a blackmailing group willing to substantiate against their "target" that their claims/intimate knowledge was legit, they wouldnt mind naming their source / coordinator, in first contact (probably late January/early February 1888) and/or in various other occurences of written/recorded names, available for the police to look up to, for instance, if some drama occured.
Well the drama occured, and the police failed to pursuit any other line other than "the victims were random".
Tragically, these women thought they were safer than what really was the case with them. Yes, foolish, they should have known better, but really, can you blame them?
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Originally posted by DJA View PostAnd on the 27th they were back in London, purportedly seeking the reward.
By 2am Sunday 30th September both Eddowes and Stride were dead,having been murdered about an hour apart.
An hour earlier Eddowes' had given her jailer the real name of the last victim along with the address immediately behind Strides' current lodging house.
Stride was at 32 Flower and Dean,Eddowes at 55.
The first victim had lived at 56,her last address.
Apology for the repeat as it gets too sound a bit "fishy"
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[QUOTE=Joshua Rogan;n720488]Originally posted by Leanne View Post
Actually it appeared in the press as early as the 11th Sept.
Echo
London, U.K.
11 September 1888
Mr. S. Montagu, M.P., has assumed the functions of the Home Office. He has offered a reward of £100 for the capture of the murderer of Annie Chapman. It is well, however, to remember that Mr. Montagu represents the Whitechapel Division in Parliament.
I maintain that there was a blackmail scheme launched way before Chapman's murder, probably before the first attack on February 25, 1888, and for a higher sum.
Source of the blackmail was a sex scandal, probably with hardcore / bdsm / NC elements, aimed at someone who had much more than 100 pounds to lose (public indigation, trial, prison).
Subsequent attacks upped the stakes, and further rewards even more so, rendering the blackmailing group greedier and sloppier (like a Guy Ritchie flick where everything goes straight downhill).
For our man though , upping the stakes (and rewards) simply makes him more efficient, in terms of spectacular terrorism, right up to MJK, though I credit the Double Event as the most stunning act, operation-wise. This is why post-fact research for clues and correlation starts here.
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[QUOTE=Leanne;n720467]Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
I don't see how or why you included Liz Stride in the equation Leanne,[//QUOTE]
DJA thinks that a Eddowes and Stride planned to blackmail the Ripper. The offer of a reward for INFORMATION appeared in the Morning Adveritiser on the 21st of September, (while Kate and John were away hopping).Echo
London, U.K.
11 September 1888
Mr. S. Montagu, M.P., has assumed the functions of the Home Office. He has offered a reward of £100 for the capture of the murderer of Annie Chapman. It is well, however, to remember that Mr. Montagu represents the Whitechapel Division in Parliament.Last edited by Joshua Rogan; 08-30-2019, 12:38 PM.
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Originally posted by jerryd View Post
If the papers are to be believed.
Echo London Middlesex November 9, 1888
Funny how retired gentlemen with a penchant for public memoirs and confidentials memos failed to grasp/evaluate all this correlating evidence.
Probably too busy seeking out polish barbers or obscure russians. (Cuz our man couldnt have been a brit, right?)
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