The Apron Again

[lynn cates]

respondeo quod

Hello Mac.

"Clearly, Lynn, it's a load of old nonsense."

Quite possibly a load of old nonsense, but not clear to this old bird.

"1) Presumably he didn't stumble upon this idea between murder and Goulston Street."

I take it he ruminated a good deal.

"2) Therefore it was pre-planned."

Antecedent? You mean the implication? The murders?

"3) So it follows some thought must have gone into it."

Again, not sure of the antecedent of the pronoun.

"4) I defy any human being to think of a less plausible way of framing the Jews than writing on a wall: "It's the Jews", assuming the readership can make head or tail of it. A small stoat with no more claim to reason than an even smaller stoat would have come up with something better than that."

Here we nearly agree. I could think of hundreds of better anti-Semitic slogans.

What if the writer were not a native speaker of English?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

preferences

Hello Trevor.

"But if you are going to frame the Jews you have to write down what you are framing them for."

Yes, that would clearly be preferable. But . . .

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

LA

Hello Mac.

"Should have just written: "It was Leather Apron"."

But note that the "Dear Boss" bent over backwards to dispel that notion.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

I've no evidence but a theory that sits well with me is that it was placed there by the police to suggest this was The Met's problem.

I've witnessed some half baked theories here in this forum but this really does take the biscuit ! I take it that when you refer to the police placing the apron piece you allude to the City police ? If so, why on earth would the City Police do such a thing? The problem lay very much with them, in the form of the late Catherine Eddowes who lay firmly within their jurisdiction.

[lynn cates]

"I am invincible" ("you're a loony&quot

Hello Trevor.

"surely you would have expected some mention of a murder in the graffiti if the killer had written it."

Ah, but recall the "Phoenix Park" murders? There were several flyers sent out with the inscription:

"This deed was done by the Irish Invincibles"

The reason I bring this up is that:

1. No mention of murder was made

2. It was also DISREGARDED--wrongly, it turns out.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

dismissal

Hello Steven.

"I'm with Maria on this one, Lynn."

That's fine. I am not necessarily arguing for the GSG. But I don't think it can be lightly dismissed.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Actually, Lynn, I meant that I don't see a difference in MO between the Chapman and Eddowes killings in terms of reasoning v. instinct.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

view

Hello Steven. Ah, thanks for that.

I see a good deal of expertise with killing and ripping Polly and Annie; but a mere random encounter.

And I see the exact converse with Kate--no expertise with the knife; lots and lots of pre-planning.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Thanks for explaining your position, Lynn.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

tahnks

Hello Steven. The pleasure was all mine.

Thanks for listening.

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

(to Rob House) I hope you dont take offence but i have read and heard some twatty statements on here but that beats them all

Does 'twat' mean something different in the UK than it does here in the States? Actually, next to my own hypothesis, which is that Jack wrote the graffiti, I'd say Rob's is the only one I've read on this thread that smacks of making any kind of sense, even though it still leaves the question of 'time' open. On a more personal note, I find Rob's writing to be very un-vagina-like, though not to say he's cocky.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

I think you have to look at the graffiti in the context of the murders does it relate to the murder or any other murder. The answer has to be as it stands clearly no, In no matter which way you look at it or analyse it.

To some, such as yourself, it cannot applies to the murders. But to others, it only makes sense in context with the murders. So it’s a matter of perspective.

Lynn, I'm sure you know that a relatively prominent IWEC member is documented to have resided in the Wentworth Dwellings.

Let’s not exaggerate. Israel Sunshine, to my knowledge, was in no way a prominent member of the IWEC. I’m not even sure he was an actual member.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[robhouse]

Does 'twat' mean something different in the UK than it does here in the States? Actually, next to my own hypothesis, which is that Jack wrote the graffiti, I'd say Rob's is the only one I've read on this thread that smacks of making any kind of sense, even though it still leaves the question of 'time' open. On a more personal note, I find Rob's writing to be very un-vagina-like, though not to say he's cocky.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I think Jack quite possibly wrote the graffiti too. And don't worry... I pretty much ignore everything Trevor says, so no harm done. It is like trying to have a rational debate with a 10 year old.

[Wickerman]

Does 'twat' mean something different in the UK than it does here in the States?

Oh, right....The War Against Terrorism.



You don't want to know what it means in the UK.

Regards, Jon S.

[mariab]

Israel Sunshine, to my knowledge, was in no way a prominent member of the IWEC. I’m not even sure he was an actual member.

I said “relatively prominent“, where prominent referred to his arrest in 1889. He was no Rudolph Rocker.