The Apron Again

[lynn cates]

Kantian message

Hello Steven. Not sure if I were to reply. But here goes.

If you invite me to your house to carve the fowl, you cannot determine, a priori, what I will act like. Will he carve with this knife? Perhaps the other? Will he be frenzied? Calm? Oh, he would never exemplify THAT behaviour!

But, a great deal could be learned a posteriori. Look at how that idiot Lynn carved my bird! Nothing but crumbs. I'll be hanged if I invite HIM again. He has NO expertise.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

reading, and other pursuits

Hello Carol. Right. Magazines weren't always just for reading.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Hi Steven

Regarding your post 567, all I can say is you beat me to it (heh-heh)

Quality, not quantity apparently.

All the best

[curious4]

Hello C4.

"why use rag, when there were plenty of copies of old newspapers'

Texture, I think.

"As for the apron, also taken as a trophy, perhaps, went home (nearby) with everything and suddenly thought of a way to taunt the police,"

Why would Kate's assailant wish to taunt the police?

" . . . away to Goulstone street, graffito and rag to attract attention to it -"

Distinct possibility.

"it was connected to the murder"

Possibly, but not necessarily.

" . . . so no need to point out what he was accusing the jews of -"

That depends on the preceding point.

"if you interpret the message that way. It could also be said to point away from the jews when written by someone with bad grammar, of course."

Or a poor understanding of English.

"The police took it all very seriously at the time and I find it hard to believe that they were any worse than today´s police."

They did indeed. So should we--until it can be shown there is nothing in it.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn.

Yes I can see that a lack of soft toilet paper would be a serious barrier to time travel. Swedes used to use a stick way back - if you were really posh you had your OWN stick!

Gives a new slant on the word tenderfoot, doesn´t it?

Well, if not connected to the murder, at least to the victim.

As I see it, he was on a high - he had killed twice and got away with it and probably felt invincible. No-one could ever catch him, especially not the police.

Cheers,
C4

[curious4]

Hello Curious4,

Point to ponder perhaps? I would have thought that most 'trophy hunting killers' KEEP their trophies, not throw it away after 35mins or an hour, i am no expert but maybe you or someone else may be on this point?

Best wishes

Phil

Hello Phil,

Yes, you do have a point there, unless he took a trophy from Kate´s belongings we don´t know about (she was carrying all her worldly goods, it seems) and used the apron to keep it fairly free of blood etc.

Best wishes,
C4

[curious4]

[QUOTE=Carol;200633]

Hello C4.

"why use rag, when there were plenty of copies of old newspapers'

Texture, I think.


Hello Lynn,

I can remember in my childhood when it was still fairly usual to cut up old newspapers into similar squares, make a hole in one corner with a meat skewer, thread a piece of string through, then hang the little 'package' up on a nail in the toilet within reach of the user. I can only remember this in outside toilets, and mainly with the older generation. This would have been in the 1950's.

It was normal even with the middle classes in Victorian times.

By the time I was born in 1946 most people were using toilet rolls called Izal. These were definitely better than newspaper but had a 'toilety' smell and were far from soft! I would know that smell anywhere!

Carol

Hello Carol,

Sweet memories! I remember squares, in a box, can´t remember the name.

Best wishes,
C4

[curious]

Hello Lynn.

Yes I can see that a lack of soft toilet paper would be a serious barrier to time travel. Swedes used to use a stick way back - if you were really posh you had your OWN stick!

Gives a new slant on the word tenderfoot, doesn´t it?

Well, if not connected to the murder, at least to the victim.

As I see it, he was on a high - he had killed twice and got away with it and probably felt invincible. No-one could ever catch him, especially not the police.

Cheers,
C4

It's my understanding that sometimes farmers used corn cobs.

curious (the original

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil,

Yes, you do have a point there, unless he took a trophy from Kate´s belongings we don´t know about (she was carrying all her worldly goods, it seems) and used the apron to keep it fairly free of blood etc.

Best wishes,
C4

Hello C4,

In which case the apron isnt a 'trophy' anyway?

Kindly

Phil

[curious4]

The apron

Hello Phil,

Exactly, so it wouldn't matter if he threw it.

Best wishes,

C4

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil,

Exactly, so it wouldn't matter if he threw it.

Best wishes,

C4

Hello C4,

Quite, which in turn devalues the place of the rag vis a vis the writing, no?

Kindly

Phil

[lynn cates]

right

Hello C4.

"Well, if not connected to the murder, at least to the victim."

You are on solid footing there.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

the apron

Hello Lynn

Oh dear! Put it down to my fevered state!

C4

[Hunter]

It's my understanding that sometimes farmers used corn cobs.

curious (the original

Yep, you kept a bucket of corn cobs for that purpose... red and white ones...You'd take two red ones and a white one with you for business. You'd use a red one first, then a white one to see if you needed the other red one.

[curious]

Yep, you kept a bucket of corn cobs for that purpose... red and white ones...You'd take two red ones and a white one with you for business. You'd use a red one first, then a white one to see if you needed the other red one.

probably TMI

[Carol]

Hi everyone,

Last summer when we were in England on holiday I found a really great book in an Oxfam charity book shop, published in 1991. It's called 'The Victorian Catalogue of Household goods' and describes itself as 'A Complete Compendium of over five thousand items to Furnish and Decorate the Victorian Home'. It is a facsimile of a trade catalogue published by the firm of Silber & Flemming of London and Paris. The author of the Introducion to the book is Dorothy Bosomworth and it was published by the New York firm of Portland House. The catalogue was first published in 1883 and this edition facsimile dates "from the late 1880s (the exact date is not given in the original)".

The firm of Silber & Flemming was founded in London in 1856. They were manufacturers, importers, warehousemen and agents. The catalogue was "comparable to Littlewoods' or Universal Stores' current mail-order catalogues".

I quote from the Introduction now - "Who, then, were their customers? Without surviving company records, it is impossible to form a detailed impression, but we can assume that they consisted both of retailers, such as department stores, furnishing shops and ironmongers, china, silver and glass specialists, and of corporate clients".

On page 79 I came across a "Hunting Knife, very superior quality, with 7½-inch blade and 4-inch horn handle, diamond cut. This Knife is so constructed that the blade can be folded into the handle, where it is locked by a spring, leaving exposed 4 inches of the blade, which is protected by a best solid leather sheath".

Could this be the sort of knife that Jack the Ripper used?

Carol