The Apron Again

[lynn cates]

Jack's behaviour

Hello Caz.

"The man who ripped up Eddowes and took away her womb and kidney "wouldn't have done this" or "wouldn't have done that" on the same night? Oh really?"

I completely agree here. Trying to explain the behaviour of another according to our own presupposed canons of human behaviour is a tricky undertaking. Would it were discontinued.

But, as they also say up north, "What can't be cured, must be endured."

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

It was Phil who wanted to see more logical behaviour from a serial mutilator, if that's who murdered Eddowes.

I was simply observing that there was nothing logical about what was done to that woman, giving us ample evidence of a man who acted with a total disregard for common sense and his own neck when the mood took him. Obviously he could pull himself together and act normally too, or he would have been caught. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't expect the kind of person who murdered Eddowes to act logically and rationally at all times when not actually ripping up a victim. It would have been a combination of using his head most of the time but losing it some of the time. When you or I lose our heads we don't go looking for women to rip up in public places, do we?

Love,

Caz
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Ah, but who does act logically at ALL times.

Monty

[caz]

Hello Caz.

"everything makes perfect sense to me as it is"

Indeed? Hmm, I've some real estate deals for you. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm quite happy to sit back and watch everyone else spending time and effort on alternative explanations that make more 'sense'.

The man who ripped up Eddowes and took away her womb and kidney "wouldn't have done this" or "wouldn't have done that" on the same night? Oh really?

That's the reasoning that has never made sense to me. But I won't spend any time trying to make sense of it. It's merely an observation made while I smile and scratch my head. There's nowt so queer as folk, as they say oop north.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

Caz

You need to stay calm

Hi Trev,

If I was any calmer when posting here I'd be horizontal. It's a guilty pleasure for me. You'd be better off concentrating on my words and not trying to detect my mood. You get it wrong every time.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

So we look solely amongst the mad men Caz?

Makes complete sense to me. Making sense of motive doesnt mean logic should be disgarded.

Obviously our man was logical. His actions show reasoning.

Monty

Hi Monty,

It was Phil who wanted to see more logical behaviour from a serial mutilator, if that's who murdered Eddowes.

I was simply observing that there was nothing logical about what was done to that woman, giving us ample evidence of a man who acted with a total disregard for common sense and his own neck when the mood took him. Obviously he could pull himself together and act normally too, or he would have been caught. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't expect the kind of person who murdered Eddowes to act logically and rationally at all times when not actually ripping up a victim. It would have been a combination of using his head most of the time but losing it some of the time. When you or I lose our heads we don't go looking for women to rip up in public places, do we?

Love,

Caz
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[mariab]

Israel Sunshine, to my knowledge, was in no way a prominent member of the IWEC. I’m not even sure he was an actual member.

I said “relatively prominent“, where prominent referred to his arrest in 1889. He was no Rudolph Rocker.

[Wickerman]

Does 'twat' mean something different in the UK than it does here in the States?

Oh, right....The War Against Terrorism.



You don't want to know what it means in the UK.

Regards, Jon S.

[robhouse]

Does 'twat' mean something different in the UK than it does here in the States? Actually, next to my own hypothesis, which is that Jack wrote the graffiti, I'd say Rob's is the only one I've read on this thread that smacks of making any kind of sense, even though it still leaves the question of 'time' open. On a more personal note, I find Rob's writing to be very un-vagina-like, though not to say he's cocky.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I think Jack quite possibly wrote the graffiti too. And don't worry... I pretty much ignore everything Trevor says, so no harm done. It is like trying to have a rational debate with a 10 year old.

[Tom_Wescott]

I think you have to look at the graffiti in the context of the murders does it relate to the murder or any other murder. The answer has to be as it stands clearly no, In no matter which way you look at it or analyse it.

To some, such as yourself, it cannot applies to the murders. But to others, it only makes sense in context with the murders. So it’s a matter of perspective.

Lynn, I'm sure you know that a relatively prominent IWEC member is documented to have resided in the Wentworth Dwellings.

Let’s not exaggerate. Israel Sunshine, to my knowledge, was in no way a prominent member of the IWEC. I’m not even sure he was an actual member.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

(to Rob House) I hope you dont take offence but i have read and heard some twatty statements on here but that beats them all

Does 'twat' mean something different in the UK than it does here in the States? Actually, next to my own hypothesis, which is that Jack wrote the graffiti, I'd say Rob's is the only one I've read on this thread that smacks of making any kind of sense, even though it still leaves the question of 'time' open. On a more personal note, I find Rob's writing to be very un-vagina-like, though not to say he's cocky.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

tahnks

Hello Steven. The pleasure was all mine.

Thanks for listening.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Thanks for explaining your position, Lynn.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

view

Hello Steven. Ah, thanks for that.

I see a good deal of expertise with killing and ripping Polly and Annie; but a mere random encounter.

And I see the exact converse with Kate--no expertise with the knife; lots and lots of pre-planning.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Actually, Lynn, I meant that I don't see a difference in MO between the Chapman and Eddowes killings in terms of reasoning v. instinct.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

dismissal

Hello Steven.

"I'm with Maria on this one, Lynn."

That's fine. I am not necessarily arguing for the GSG. But I don't think it can be lightly dismissed.

Cheers.
LC